Dawn of the Dead (1978) – George A. Romero's Zombie Horror Classic

0:01 This is not the Republicans versus the Democrats. They've got us in the hole economically or that we're in another war. It's more crucial than that. We are down to the line, folks. We are down to the line. There are no divisions among among living. Please. At least let him finish. It's really all over his head. Quiet. Quiet. Welcome to the Cinematic Flashback Podcast. Get ready to hop into the Wayback Machine as we journey through the wild, bold, and unforgettable films of the 1970s. Each episode, we break down a classic movie or forgotten gem, seeing how it performed then and now, and wrapping things up by asking, did it groove through the decades or did it lose its beat? I am your host, Chuck Bryan, and today we are reviewing George Romero's 1978 sequel to Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, starring Ken Foray, Scott Renninger, Galen Ross, and David Emgei. Joining me today is my co-host, Matt Sargent, and I am so excited about this. We had so much fun watching Suspiria last time that Jeff Johnson from a Film By podcast and Amanda Janik has agreed to jump back into the Wayback Machine to help me answer this question. Is there ever

1:31 a good time to check your blood pressure in the middle of a zombie horde at the mall? Welcome, guys. Good to see you back again. Thanks for having me again, Chuck. Chuck, happy to be back with you and Matt. And of course, the lovely and talented Slasher Girl, Amanda. It's great seeing you guys all. I did want to point out, though, high blood pressure is no joke. It's a silent killer. Wasn't very silent in the. Movie, though. Did you get kicked out of the book club yet? No, no, I'm still in the book club. We finished up Lonesome Dove and it's an awesome book. Five stars. Highly recommend it. Other activities that went on in my life where my daughter got married and there was a Nor'easter all at the same time, which is awesome.

2:16 But we were able to fit the outdoor wedding in between windy, blustery blows and it all came off really well. Well, before we drive over to the mall, I know this was not a first-time watch. What was your origin story with this film? Let's start with Amanda. Same origin story, I swear to God, that I have for every podcast that I do. I'm pretty sure I saw this in my basement when I lived outside of Chicago on USAF All Night. It's the same story every time, but hand to God, I think it's true. Can't remember if it's Rhonda Shearer or Gilbert Godfrey. Mm-hmm. I don't remember who was the host then, but I'm pretty sure I was playing in the basement with my Barbies.

2:57 I think I've been watching this, but I'm pretty sure that's when it happened. Up all night. I'd forgotten about that show. Yeah. It's my origin story for everything. You know it's back, right? Is it? No. Yeah. Rhonda Shearer has brought it back. Really? Yeah. She still looks fantastic. What a time to be alive, man, because now we got Rhonda Shear back and we have the Crypt Keeper from Tales from the Crypt coming back to host Fear Fest. I might as well go back in the basement with my Barbies right now because I'm going to relive it. Jeff, how about you? What was your origin story? It definitely was the mid-80s with the boom of video rental places popping up everywhere. So I would have been 10, 11 years old. One thing I distinctly remember as a kid is that I chose this based on the box art cover. So I'm talking about the one that has the three photos of Scott Reiniger's zombie mode, had the white clamshell.

3:54 I went down the rabbit hole. I did a Google search just to find it. And I found the exact copy with that big, gaudy white clamshell box. I was kind of surprised when I looked it up online because I saw that it had one of those critic blurbs at the top of it. An ultimate horror film, a savagely satanic vision of America. And that was given to us by Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times. How about that? That is an awesome memory. I almost added that exact same description into this as well. I think we're syncing up on our video cassettes. We're simpatico, I think. Zombie Matt. Well, you know, unlike the rest of you guys, I'm actually old enough to have seen it in the movie theater.

4:40 It came out in 1978, so I was 17. Wow. This movie was my soon-to-be brother-in-law's absolute favorite movie. And his favorite scene, of course, is the one where the guy's getting his blood pressure taken. He used to be able to recite all of the scenes. So I mix up the actual movie with his re-portrayal of it in real time that he used to do all the time because he loved it so much. I had probably not seen it since 1980. Really? But man, I had so much fun re-watching it and it brought back so many good memories. It was just so much fun. I love that. Matt, I got to say, one of the things I love about a cinematic flashback We get to this portion of the show and you gently remind us, well, hey, I was around when this was released.

5:30 So I was there. And I always think of you as Roy Batty in Blade Runner, Rudger Hauer's character at the end when he's like, he has that beautiful monologue where I've seen things. And I just thought, man, if Matt was Roy Batty... I've seen things. Cause I was there for the double feature at the drive-in on Harrison Avenue. You know, I love that. Yeah. You're, you're my Roy Batty. We haven't even gotten into the drive-in. We used to go all the time. Sign me up. But yeah, it was, it was pretty fun. What about you, Chuck? What was your origin story on this? I distinctly remember seeing this film back in May of 86. It was a dark and rainy night. I drove down to the video store. I'm looking around and I see the exact same clamshell videocassette that Jeff Johnson just spent time explaining. I will admit to going on eBay and pricing it out. It was a little bit more than a buck fifty. Oh, now I got to look this up.

6:33 For nostalgia, I would go as high as 50 to get my hands on that clamshell, I think. I would interject in, this would be the perfect movie for a teenage dive-in movie. You know what, Matt? I don't know that they're still doing it, but every year up in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, where the mall is, they would have a big three-day weekend festival. It would all culminate with the showing of the movie. So it was in the mall. It's been a longstanding tradition up until recently. Unfortunately, the mall has finally been. Sold to a small mom and pop outfit called Walmart. Oh, that's cool. I don't think they're planning to make it a historical site and leave it as it is, which is heartbreaking because it's just so fun to go through that mall.

7:20 And it's obviously over the years it's been upgraded and remodeled here and there. But you know where you're at. You know, the bones of the place are still there. Oh, yeah. I was happy that I got to experience that. So, Chuck, Romero made Night of the Living Dead in 1968, right? Yeah. Dawn of the Dead came out in 78. What was he doing there? for 10 years between those two. I think he was trying to stay independent. It's something that George Romero has in common with other 70s filmmakers. He just wanted to stay independent. He basically made his own production house in and around Pittsburgh. And in this movie, there's four main filming locations. The first one's the TV studio.

8:04 The other one is the Tenement Building. Both of those are like eight minutes away in downtown Pittsburgh. drive about 20 minutes towards Monroeville, you're going to come to the airfield where they filmed the refueling of the helicopter, and you're going to get to the mall itself. We used to pass by it on the PA Turnbike when we were going to Buffalo. Jeff, I know you said earlier that you've made it out there. Yeah, good times. That's crazy. I drive by that all the time when we go to Canada because we go to Canada via Buffalo. So I must have driven by that 100 times. You need to swing in. Before it's no more. You'll pull up there and it'll be a giant Walmart next time. Yeah, sadly. After Romero made Night of the Living Dead, he spent the next 10 years making anything but another zombie movie.

8:50 Just let me know if you've seen any of these. He did a film in 1971 called There's Always Vanilla. Nope. Season of the Witch, 1972. Yes. Currently available on Tubi. The Crazies. You seen that one? Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, please tell me, Amanda, you've seen Martin. Long time ago. I think anytime you hear someone go, I love vampire movies. I've seen them all. I'm always like, well, let's talk about Martin or Vampire's Kiss. And they're like, no, I don't know this. Martin? Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But being independent, there is kind of a problem. It's a financial problem. The way studios will finance a film is is often they'll just go to the bank and the bank will.

9:36 Give them a loan. Romero isn't making those kinds of loans from the bank. Instead, he's kicking in some money. The producer, Richard Rubenstein, is cooking in money. The total budget for this film ultimately came to about $ 640, 000. Almost half of that was kicked in by the director of the film we talked about last time. Dario Argento. He gets the international distribution and he also recuts the film. Eventually, this film made quite a bit of money on the uptake. Argento brought in the progressive rock group Goblin to help create the music for this film. So all the pieces are coming together.

10:19 The movie has financing, the script is completed, and they secure the Monroeville Mall as a shooting location. So 10 years later, George takes those zombies from the Night of the Living Dead and he puts them in a completely different America. He finds the perfect place for them and finds a way to make a much bigger movie without going through Hollywood. Along the way, The zombies become a commentary about us and our habits. And that is how Dawn of the Dead happened. I think we're all ready to beat the cast of Dawn of the Dead. But first, we need to step away for a quick break. We'll be right back. It's a cinematic flashback. Let the show begin. It's a cinematic flashback. Let the show begin.

11:06 1968, George Romero brought us Night of the Living Dead. It became the classic horror film of its time. Now, George Romero brings us the most intensely shocking motion picture experience for all times. Dawn of the Dead. Night of the Living Dead has ended. Dawn of the Dead is here. Welcome back. Let's talk about the cast. Who do we want to start with? There's four main characters, and we're just going to go through the main four. And the first one I'm going to talk about is David Emge, who plays Stephen Andrews, a.k.a. Flyboy. He was working as a chef in New York when he was introduced to George Romero. He was a U.S. Army veteran during the Vietnam era, stage actor at Pittsburgh Playhouse, a small film career before and after Dawn. His zombie Flyboy became one of the movie's iconic images. I think David MG plays this guy very well. He's not very tough. He's a pilot, but little or no other skills. As much as I would like to be Peter, I think I would be Steven. No, I don't see that. Or Roger.

12:20 You know, one of the two. I think Def Dave is Roger. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. I think, though, that in the apocalypse, it takes a certain set of skills. Steven, bless his heart, he doesn't have them. Yeah. He makes bad decisions without the skills to back them up. But if we talk about the actor playing this person, I think he does a great job playing this doofus with the ability to fly a helicopter, which was super marketable and, you know, made him the cool guy. And now the only skill he has is he can fly a helicopter that has almost no gas left in it. So. Yeah, this movie starts like if it's a first time watch, you immediately want to connect with him because you're like, this is the helicopter pilot in a bomber jacket.

13:05 And he's got the coolest nickname. He's Flyboy. This is the hero. And then it's determined that he is not the hero. There were two scenes in the movie not to get into them, but they both involve guns, both involve pulling the trigger. At the wrong time. Yeah. When you make a stormtrooper look like a crack shot, that's saying something. Good one. Good one. Well, and I think it's interesting about his character, too, though. I think that he knows that he ate the cat's meow. I think he's a very clear individual, you know, by some of the things that he says to Fran and Stop, you know, about, you know, when she... Well, we'll talk about her later, but basically he comes back and he's like, a gun? Like, you can't use a gun.

13:46 Well, why? If she learns how to use a gun, he becomes useless. He's already useless, but like, fly the helicopter. But I think he knows his shortcomings already, and he's very insecure about them. Yeah, and it feels like he was a little surprised when Fran says she needs to learn how to fly the helicopter. Again. Because if something should happen to you... I'm pretty sure I'm going to die because I make bad decisions left, right. I think you make a good point. I think he did know he was terrible. But I have to say, if you know you're terrible and you have somebody who's not terrible and he's telling you not to do things, you should probably not do them. What do you mean?

14:29 He goes after the raiders when they don't even know they're at the mall. And they know there's people there, but it's clear that they don't care about the people at the mall. They care about the stuff. He gets it in his head that it's his stuff because he was the first one at the mall. I'm sorry. That's just not how it works post-apocalypse. What happens post-apocalypse is if you have stuff and you can't defend it, then you don't have stuff anymore, including your life. So hide or be able to defend yourself. But you can't be in between. Well said. But if you've got an ego, your ego is not going to allow you to do that.

15:09 Yeah, but what did he have an ego from? Exactly. Exactly. It's a false ego. Yeah. So I think that's what makes him a really interesting character. Well, he's also a sad character because you mentioned his insecurities. But think about this for a second. You think you're in a good spot because you just rescued your girl. And in your mind, you've rescued her because, you know, be on the roof at nine o'clock. Don't make me come looking for you. But you're also holed up with two other pretty, pretty rocking guys. And, you know, I mean, she's kind of got her... Her pick of the litter here. And he's he's got a he's got a. OK, I can't shoot a gun and I make bad decisions and I don't listen to any directions. I take no direction from anybody.

15:49 Yeah. And a very insecure person is going to take it that way, because when you're in the apocalypse, do you really think she's looking at the other two dudes being like. Hey, these guys are better? Like, no, no, that's the last. Thing on her mind, I'm sure. It's not the last thing on his mind. Oh, no. I think the first thing on your mind is who can keep me alive? The only thing Flyboy had until she learned how to fly was he could fly the helicopter. After that, in my opinion, he was useless. Yeah. One last thing that I have with Flyboy is he had a gun. He could have killed himself. Instead, he didn't. And then when he became a zombie, he led all the other zombies into... the back room. So he knew that people did this and he still could not bring himself to protect his unborn child and girlfriend and friends. Well, if we're done talking about David Emge. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:40 Let's go to one of my favorite characters next. Who's going to take him? Scott Reiniger as Roger, a.k.a. Trooper. He was also an actor in New York. He worked at the same restaurant that David Emge worked and he met Romero at that location. Renegar was college friends with Christine Forrest, and she was dating Romero at the time. She sent Renegar the script. So Romero, his only reservation was there's a very physical height difference between Renegar and Ken Forrey. Scott assured him that the audience is not going to give a crap about that. After the first five minutes, Romero laughed and Scott got the part. Renegar returned in Romero's Knight Riders, which is an interesting film.

17:29 I hope it's on Tubi because I would like to rewatch it. That's a weird one. Yes, it is. That's early Ed Harris. Yes, it is. That's a strange one. Very, very. And he also. And I didn't realize this because I didn't catch it when I watched it. In the 2004 Zack Snyder version of Dawn of the Dead, he makes a cameo appearance. And somehow he was the hereditary prince of gore. What gore was, I'm not sure. But it was a country and he was a descendant of the king of that country at some point. I actually thought that they intentionally cast someone of short stature for that role because it was so perfect, you know, that he was the smallest guy, but he was like frenetic in his activity and his risk taking. And I really think this was actually a masterstroke, in my opinion, because I think in a zombie apocalypse, you sort of have.

18:26 A range of people's response. Some people are going to be cold and calculating. We see this in other zombie series and stuff. Very, very careful, very cold, very calculating, know what to do. And other people are 100% emotional, action oriented. This is what I'm going to do. And he fit into that, even if it was going to kill him. Absolutely. Amanda, any thoughts on Roger? I'm really sad. I'm really sad for him, especially in that scene, you know, where he's dying on the bed, you know, and he's like. We got him, right? You know, we got them all. You have Ken Ferreira's character then reassuring him, oh, yeah, we got him because he knows he's dying, giving that to him. You kind of attribute to it like, you know, say like a dying soldier or something, you know, we got the enemy, didn't we? And you know, he's going to die. So why not give him those accolades before he dies? That's really sad. I get really depressed at that part every time. I feel like his character wasn't as fleshed out as it could have been, which is shocking for the length of this movie. It still just strikes a chord with me and surprises me how sad I get every time.

19:27 But then I'm. Infuriated with him. yeah during the truck scene like just oh it's just it's so stupid but again it's another case of you know a big head you know I got this I can do anything now you know I'm I'm the man I can you know and that was his downfall so to go from being infuriated with him to being as sad as I was I think he plays that range really really well really well where he's losing his marbles in the beginning you can see that downfall already You know, when they're going through the apartment building and stuff where, you know, he's shocked by what he sees and you can see it's getting in his head. He has to collect himself. And then for the next half of the movie, Penfrey's reminding him, you got to collect yourself. We need you in the game here. But you're watching him fall down.

20:13 You know, I just think he he was the perfect choice for the role. I really do. Amanda, you put it perfectly. I think Amanda has got it here. It's his undoing is his hunger for the adrenaline. Because when we're introduced to him in the siege at the apartment complex, he is the cool, calm, collected guy. He's telling the rookie like, hey, man, when we get in there. Don't worry. Don't worry. You're going to be fine. You're going to do fine. He can go through a situation like that and he can keep his composure. As the movie goes on. It's this adrenaline rush where the combat and the scavenging, the foraging, he can't get enough, and he's letting it escalate.

20:55 But in doing so, his behavior becomes a little erratic. It's becoming increasingly reckless. He is his own worst enemy. The zombies didn't get him. Roger that. It's funny why you're saying that. That's the scene that's playing. Even while Jeff is saying, you know, about how he's calm, cool and collected, you see glimpses, the weight of what's happening. You can see that that's already hitting them emotionally. And that's where you get that emotional side of the character. You know, when he realizes what needs to be done, you see it already eating at him. That was a beautiful pun. Oh, pun not intended. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. But you see it eating at him already. So it's not like this adrenaline junkie comes out of nowhere. It's not like this recklessness comes out of nowhere. It's not like this departure from reality comes from from nowhere. Like you see it. You see it starting to stew already from the beginning. It wasn't a complete 180. And I think that that's an incredible arc. To take where you're not necessarily going from one side all the way to the other, but edging your way.

22:01 It would be less impactful. Exactly. If all of a sudden it was just boom. Yeah. You're 100% right. And I'm sure it was the director or the writer. Who was the same person, by the way. Right. That had it in their head that this is how this person's going to crack. And this is how this other person is going to not be able to deal with it. And this is how this other person who we think is going to give up, but then doesn't. And then, of course, you know, the heroine who basically has her head on straight the whole time and knows what's what. Fly girl. My girl Galen here. So Dawn of the Dead was actually her first major motion picture role. And what's interesting about her is you think after being in such an iconic film, which Dawn of the Dead obviously is, that she'd go on to have this huge acting career.

22:48 No, not really. She did star in one of my other personal favorite 80s slashers, Madman, which if you haven't seen that, check it out. It's a. I've never heard of it. Oh, it's a very strong Friday the 13th copycat. Okay. And that's actually a pretty good copycat. I like it. And she does have a scene in there, which will forever be burned in my memory, that involves a hot tub. Not a death, but a hot tub. You have to see it to believe it. As much as I'm going to say, you're going to have to go YouTube that. But it's something of its time. But she also starred, well, starred loosely as Leslie Nielsen's adulterous wife in Creepshow.

23:28 Something that tied you over. Ted Danson. The Ted Danson sequel. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And the funny thing is, I know that movie Inside and Out. I potted about it. It's one of my favorites. I never even realized that that was her until I was doing the research. Because remember, it's just on the TV screen, you know, that let's put it in the open. Going. So that's why I say stars, you know, loosely in that. But after that, kind of went away from acting and went more into producing and directing roles. I believe she's still married. I think so. But her and her husband directed several award-winning documentaries and whatnot on serious subject matter with social issues. And has kind of just laid low aside from that. So she moved from in front of the camera to behind the camera. And I think that's pretty interesting. One of my favorite little tidbits about her, too, with, you know, involvement in this film is we're all familiar with Night of the Living Dead, you know, and Barb, right?

24:25 That was her name, Barb. Yep. They're coming to get you. Yeah. Oh, good, Barbara. Yeah. Just helpless, cried through the whole thing, screamed, you know, whatever. Not this depiction of female strength. And anybody who knows me knows that I don't vote on that. I'm not one of those women who's like, you know, kind of useless. Galen Ross basically came into this thing and told Romero, I am not going to scream. And Romero was like, well, you're being chased by zombies and you're in this horrific situations. You're probably going to scream once or twice. And she said, no, she said she's not going to scream. She's going to depict a woman who feels helpless at first, but then finds her strength very early on. And she doesn't scream in the movie at all. She cries once or twice, but doesn't scream. So she's the true hero of this movie. Like, I really believe. So I think that's really interesting.

25:11 She is the hero of this movie. When we talk about female characters that are just cinematic badasses, we're quick to go to Ripley from Aliens. We're quick to go to Sarah Connor from Terminator 2. But you can't sleep on Galen Ross's Fly Girl because this is 1978 and she is not the damsel in distress. She's purposely learning skill sets. She's purposely involving herself in the action, being a decision maker. And she's kind of running things in this four to five position. Absolutely. Galen is. I think she's doing an amazing job here. Wonderful woman. Got to speak with her a couple different times over the years. And she's lovely. So how many of these actors have you met? Because you do a lot of cons. Have you met all of them? No, I've met her.

25:54 I've met Tom Savini several times. And I've met Ken Foree several times. Okay. Never the rest of them, though. Matt? Yeah, I think it's not lost on everybody that she was pregnant. The idea of her being the strongest and also... surviving is the hope of the movie because she's pregnant and she's going to go off and she's going to ultimately survive. And I'll be honest with you, you see echoes of this all through all the different zombie franchises, right? Often you see it's the women in a lot of the franchises that are the moral guidance of the groups most of the time. I think she serves as that. I think she does a great job. I think she's a great actress. I didn't notice it that she didn't ever scream, but it was a great decision. The scream is really a kind of an abandoning of all control.

26:45 Well, Amanda, you said something that I absolutely agree with. Barbara in Night of the Living Dead, completely different type of character. I loved Fran in this movie. And I also loved the lead actress in Day of the Dead as well. I think both women were very strong women in terrible circumstances. But I think Fran wins it out because she had that impending... I'm pregnant. So at some point, we have to deal with this. Well, not only that, but the lead from Day, which this is a whole different conversation, obviously, about a different movie, but that woman trained for it. I can't remember her name, but she trained for it. She knew what she was in for. Fran came into this. We walk into this movie three weeks into... Apocalypse. Apocalypse.

27:34 The crisis. The crisis, whatever you want to call it. Yep. And the way she adapts so quickly. She has nobody had Tritony at this point for this. I mean, go back to 2000, you know, like nobody knew what was going on. But she adapted. She grew. She learned. She got stronger. Just just phenomenal. And then last of the main characters. Let's talk about the group's alpha, both physically and intelligently. He accepts the situation for the tragedy that it is without negating the pain and sadness of the threat that they face. One of his best. Moments right at the beginning of the siege on the apartment building, he's putting bullets through the heads of zombies.

28:17 And he's also upset about it. He's crying and he has to wipe his eyes a couple of times because he gets it. These aren't just animals. These aren't just targets. These are these were people a day ago. They were making breakfast and playing with their kids. So I think he's amazing. And much like Fly Girl, Galen Ross, he's kind of the moral backbone of the group. Talking about Ken Furry, obviously, Peter Washington. So cool. He doesn't need a nickname. He's like the one out of the whole group that doesn't get a nickname. Longtime collaborator of George A. Romero. He's an absolute legend in the horror community. Talking memorable roles in From Beyond, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3. He's had memorable roles. Chuck, you mentioned Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake where he had the cameo as the televangelist who gets to say the iconic line, you know, when there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth.

29:06 He got to say it. Yeah. I love him. Me, personally, I love his character of Charlie in The Devil's Rejects. And let's not forget, you've seen him in pretty much all your favorite TV episodes talking about shows like Dukes of Hazzard, Hill Street Blues, The A-Team, Knight Rider, The Fall Guy, The X-Files, Quantum Leap. And the man is still out there. He is still putting out quality work. Last time I talked to him, he was putting together a comic book. I think I'm going to be seeing him at Scarefest and I got to check in with him on that. But Peter is, it's who I connect to the most. If I'm in this situation, I hope I'm going to conduct myself like Peter. Fran crescendos throughout the film. Peter, he keeps his head on straight. Every flaw the other two men have, he doesn't have. I don't think he has an Achilles heel. If he has an Achilles heel, it's that he cares.

29:58 He cares too much. Well, I'm going to tell you, I got the opportunity to meet him in 2010. We used to have a very small horror convention here in Virginia Beach, and it was called Blood on the Beach. I remember that this was right after in The Walking Dead, the character of Merle became a zombie and was killed. He was there at the event. He was the main draw along with other cast members from that particular season. I brought my daughters there because they were just crazy about all of these guys, especially the actor who played, I believe his name was Axel. I'm walking around the rest of the autographs and I'm seeing people that I know and I get pretty nervous talking with people. And then I walk by and I see Ken Foray and I'm like, you're him.

30:48 He goes, it is I. And the two of us just started talking, right? I want to say that I was kind of cool and suave and debonair, but I'm pretty sure I'm like Chris Farley in that Saturday Night Live skit. I remember that one time when you had the gun and you shot the zombie. That was awesome. You know? Yeah. He was very cool. My kids finally found me and I said, hey, this guy plays one of the coolest characters in 1970s cinema. Not only did he sign the one photograph that I had bought, he said, pick any other one and sign it. And so I picked up this one. that has all the four main characters in it. And my intention was to get all of them to sign it. And then David Emge passed away.

31:34 I think we all want to be the Peter Washington character, but I think we all mostly end up being the Ned Beatty character from Deliverance. I hope not. I hope not. I'll tell you one thing about Ken that I love is he's got a great sense of humor. And Chuck, you know, you've talked with him. Over on a film by, we did our 1986 series. He does a really creepy horror film called From Beyond in 1986. First time I met him, he's like, you look like a Dawn of the Dead guy. I said, well, we're all Dawn of the Dead guys, but I'd love to talk about From Beyond. He went, what? Oh, okay. If you've seen From Beyond, you know that there's a scene in the movie where... he has to run down to the basement and he's just wearing his bikini briefs because it's 1986.

32:19 Oh, yeah. And I told him, I said, Ken, you are absolutely jacked in this movie. Like, what's the secret? And he just smiled and goes, gotta hit them weights, baby. It's like. I was like, okay, that's the plan. Great guy. Amanda, any thoughts on Ken Forey? I love his character, obviously. The actor himself, obviously iconic. One of my favorite roles of his in that Abomination that was the Halloween remake when he plays Joe Grizzly. One of my favorite parts about that movie, though. I mean, he had a Taco Supreme and he wasn't afraid to pass it in public. That was a memorable part. moment. To be honest, that's the only moment I remember from that movie. Any role he takes on, though, is automatically memorable, I feel like. So great character.

33:02 Hey, guys, I hate to do this, but we need to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Welcome back. When I went to watch this, I thought I would just go to a streaming service like Netflix or Tubi or Pluto TV or somewhere. I could not find it available to stream, so I had to go and dig up my DVD editions. It only has one problem. Jeff Johnson showed me his version of it, which is in 4K. I priced that one out, and that was a yeah, no.

33:45 I will say, Chuck, my release, it's from Second Sight Films. Four disc, Blu-ray, 4K. It's got the Argento cut, the international cut, the Cannes cut, the theatrical cut. And it's got probably about three and a half weeks worth of behind the scenes, audio commentaries, interviews. You're living at the mall. It's a fantastic one. It's going to cost you a couple bucks. But for the fans that want it and can afford it, it's definitely worth the price of admission. Okay, go back and explain to me what all these different cuts are. You've got the theatrical cut, which Romero, he always regarded this as his definitive version. And that's 127 minutes. And when you hear alternate cuts, a lot of people immediately think, oh, well, I'm going to get more.

34:25 Right. The thing here is that Dario Argento is famous for the Argento cut. That's the European cut. It's been called the zombie version. He cuts about nine to 10 minutes out of Romero's cut. The main difference here is that Argento's cut basically removes any trace of comedy or lighthearted moments. It's faster. It's more aggressive and feels, frankly, more like a horror film. And then you've got the Cannes Film Festival version. That's actually got 10 minutes more than the Romero cut. You got to remember, this is an early work print release. It's kind of rushed so they can get it there. He hadn't really locked the film at that point. There's some extra footage there. it's kind of irrelevant, honestly. Chuck, we talked off mic, you know, every year I kind of, you know, hey, I'm going to go with this cut this year. I'm going to go with that cut this year.

35:10 It's fun to change it up because then, you know, you catch yourself going, I don't remember this. Or if you're watching Argento, you're like, I thought there was a moment where Peter and Steven had a cut. No? Okay. So it's fun to go back and forth between them. But those are your three main cuts. And then the fun one I just got to bring up is the Japanese cut. The main difference here is that it's mostly the Argento cut, but all traces of the library of music are gone. For reasons I couldn't figure out, a lot of the music cues are from Suspiria. It's the music that Goblin wrote for Suspiria? Yes. Yes. That's the Japanese cut. That's the one that's going to be hard to find for you. Challenge accepted. Chuck, if you show up to Shirley Fest and be like, hey, I got the Japanese Suspiria cut of Dawn of the Dead.

35:51 I'm like, I'm in. Let's do it. It may be like my Star Wars 1977 cut. Just realize I have sources. You know, I just want to throw in about Argento's cut, the music. Dude, it's like watching an episode of the 18th. Oh, yeah. Through the whole thing, like through the whole first half, I'm finding that I'm appreciating Romero's cut more with that music in there. You know, that more campy style, playful music, because it kind of wore on me a little bit. I want to watch the rest of it. But yeah, you can already see in the first half the tonal difference for sure. The Goblin soundtrack that was used in the Argento cut is available on Spotify. Assuming that all of that was written by Goblin, not all of that music is as awesome as what was in the U.S. and what was in Romero's cuts. For example, you know the scene when they're flying over the country and all the rednecks are out shooting? In the Romero version, they have this country song.

36:50 I can't remember what it was, but it's just... Like blue grassy kind of country. Yeah, and it just goes perfect with shooting zombies on the horizon, blowing up a car and stuff. The music that they played from Goblin in that same scene in the Argento cut is nowhere near as good. I like the cued library. Yeah, I totally can see what you're saying there, Amanda. Can I say one more thing about Goblin before we go? You may say as much about Goblin as you want. First off, you know, because we can go back and forth on the library music versus Goblin, and there's no wrong answer here. Ultimately, it's what flavor are you wanting that this Halloween? Because I think the library music lets you know you're in a safe place and it's OK to chuckle at times. The Goblin score lets you know you're not safe at all, ever.

37:35 Right. I just want to call out Simon Park for a minute because he's got I think the track's called Sun High. It's during Flyboy's failed marriage proposal and then rises during what has got to be the most depressing post-quittal moment in cinematic history. The disappointed look on their faces just makes me grateful we didn't have to witness the act. Honestly. I bring up Simon Park because he's got one of the coolest pieces of music that was never used for any of these cuts. The track's called Figment. It's super famous and you've all heard it because it ultimately was used in 2004's Shaun of the Dead. Okay. Shaun of the Dead where it's like that.

38:17 Weird cackling that's that was originally written and composed for dawn of the dead never got used romero never used it no one ever used it this it's the best piece of music and thankfully when sean of the dead came around 2004 they're like uh can we get some of that got one can we get some of that that simon park stuff so yeah next time you watch sean of the dead know that you're listening to music that was made for dawn of the dead that's fascinating yeah. This is why we listen to the podcast. Right there. That's the insider info that you won't get on any other podcast besides the Cinematic Flashback podcast. Tell your friends. Jeff, you got some red on you. I had plans, man.

38:59 OK, could someone please just explain to me why I can't stream this online? My understanding of why it's so hard to find streaming online is because buying the rights to it are ridiculous. Because there was a 3D version, a failed 3D version. Did you guys read about it? I've never seen it, but I've heard about it. It apparently exists. But the story that I read was the producer, Rubenstein, wanted to make a 3D version. And they did. It had Romero's approval. They did the 3D layering. It was a re-editing of the film. He sunk so much money into that, and it never came to be. It was shown in a That when he sells the rights to it now to DVD companies, production companies and stuff, it's so high that these streaming companies won't pay these prices anymore. That's my understanding of why you can't stream it like on Netflix or anything.

39:55 You can go on Amazon Prime and rent it there. I didn't see it there. Really? But at least it wasn't listed in my streaming services. Yeah. Rubenstein, huh? But what would you think about a 3D Dawn of the Dead? Like, does it work? I think it'd be fun for the sake of nostalgia. You know, will it look better than the shark in Jaws 3D? Absolutely. But it's not going to be Avatar by any stretch of the imagination, but it'd be fun, you know, throw on your glasses and watch it. I wouldn't be blown away by it, but I would enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed watching Friday the 13th in 3D, like Part 3 in 3D. You mean the best one? Yeah. Well, I don't know about the best one. Oh, it's the best one. It's up there. It is up there. So I was just looking at the release of the 3D version, and it was in Regal Theaters in 2022 over Halloween weekend. Oh, that would have been fun. We have Regal right by my house. Wait a minute. I've seen it in 3D.

40:50 Yeah? Oh. I remember seeing it about that time at the MacArthur Mall. Isn't that crazy? I think I did. I just normally don't go out to see 3D movies. I had a 3D TV and video player for a long time. I had seen a lot of movies that were converted to 3D. And typically what they did is exactly what Amanda was talking about. They kind of relayer a picture so that the guy's hands come out to you. Although it's the same filmed hands from the flat version, they just change it so that it looks like it's reaching out. So that's what I tend to remember. There was a lot of reaching out. What I remember with this film is you got depth of frame. The zombies standing up into the helicopter blade, nah, missed opportunity. All right, let's talk a little bit about Mr. Tom Savini, who I think is the real MVP of this movie. Without him, you don't get the zombies. You don't get the blood and the gore. You don't get the exploding heads and you don't get blades. I can tell you this. He is the only man in Hollywood whose resume... lists him as a stuntman, a makeup artist, an actor, and a director.

41:57 And if you're wondering if anyone got close to this accolade, there is one guy who fell one short. He never directed a film, but it just happens to be Savini's childhood idol and major influence, Lon Chaney. Wow. I had heard in Vietnam, in the Vietnam War, he was a combat photographer. Mm-hmm. And I think he was more or less self-taught. And I think that when you have seen the real thing, it's easier to know how things should look. You're talking about the things that we have in Dawn of the Dead because of him, Chuck. Let's not forget, he never intended to be a stuntman. He becomes a stuntman on the set of Dawn of the Dead because he realizes, oh, we didn't hire a stunt crew.

42:39 Okay, I'll take care of it. The budget wouldn't allow it, yeah. All right, George, I got it. So this guy is incredible. I love the fact that he kind of transitioned from behind the scenes doing the special effects work on... Some of the greatest ones, you know, Amanda's Creepshow, Maniac, Friday the 13th. But he segues into acting profession. And then he's a talented director. We've been talking about Night of the Living Dead. Let's not forget the remake from 1990. That's directed by Tom Savini. That's right. Oh, I'm queuing up all of my October films in this conversation. I don't know if he regrets it or not, but... The color of the zombies, I don't think they were supposed to look quite the blue gray.

43:21 He wasn't intending that. You have to wonder, and this might be a question for Zombie Matt. Matt, how's it looking on the big screen in 1978? Now we've got 4K resolution and we're going to see every tiny little nook and cranny. on our 80-inch TV screens at home. So, Matt, did you walk out of Dawn of the Dead in 1978 saying, man, what's up with the blue-gray zombies? No, definitely. They looked gray because, remember, you're watching on, you know, fairly dingy reflective screen through some dirt on the lens because, remember, this is analog. There's a film up there. There's a dude slapping the rolls on, you know, when the dots come up. Those are called Q-dots. Cigarette burns. Yeah, the real intention was, you know, that they looked dead.

44:10 In almost all of human history, we would have all seen dead people really often. Since the 1940s and 50s, it's actually pretty rare that you see someone who's passed away that hasn't been embalmed, right? You don't really know what a dead body that just kind of loses blood looks like. So I think it was a good interpretation of it. It definitely creeped you out. It definitely was like, this ain't right. And then with the acting and the stilted walking, it really gave you the heebie-jeebies. There's no 100% it gave you the heebie-jeebies. You know, Chuck, like we discussed this during Suspiria, too, I think part of the problem is that when you ask a question like that, you're looking at it through a 2026 lens.

44:55 True. We are looking at, you know, that stupid TV show. Oh, God, what is that called? The one that everybody watches except for me. Walking Dead. Thank you. The amazing makeup on there. You know, we're looking at CGI now. We're looking at incredible practical effects that are out and stuff. In 78, this was pretty good, you know. And, you know, even Tom has come out and said that, you know, he doesn't care for the blue color, but it got the point across. In the grand scheme of things, that's all you needed at that point in time. We can't compare it to what we see now. You had asked if my son saw it. He just turned 21. I will tell you, he didn't say one thing about the way they looked. And I figured if anybody would, it would be somebody of that ilk because this is what they're watching. This is what they're used to, you know, like these zombie movies that are out now, even, you know, as far back as the 2000 whatever remake that we shall not speak of. But we can't look at it through that lens necessarily. For the time, I think it was amazing. And even looking at it now with all these new effects that are out and makeup, the way it is and everything, it's still got the point across.

46:02 And I think you're absolutely correct. And here's one of the things that I observe from it is that almost all of those. I mean, this is the one thing that because I've watched a lot of the newer zombie stuff and I enjoy it. One of the things rewatching this was like, oh, that's where they got that from. Oh, that's where they got that from. Oh, that's why they do this. You know, it was all laid out for them. I mean, George Romero basically rolled it out for him, said, This is how you need to run a series of the future, a long format series. All you got to do is remake my movie over a longer period of time. In 78, there was no predecessor, really, like mainstream predecessor to compare it to. So it was pretty groundbreaking.

46:44 At the time. Yeah, 100%. You know, and the fact that, you know, Romero, when people, when these actors, all these extras who were paid like with a burger or no, a donut and a T-shirt, a T-shirt, but ask him, how do we act? And he said, you don't just act like you're dead. And refuse to give them overall, like, this is how I want you to walk. This is how I want you to, you know, lumber around. Because then everybody's walking the same. You know, it's just all these things tied together that really just made it so unique and memorable. Because if you watch The Walking Dead now, they all act the same. They all, you know, so there was nothing to compare it to back then. And I think that's pretty remarkable that it set the groundwork for everything to come that now people want to compare it to.

47:27 I think it also one of the appeals just in general of the film is such a send up of of the teenage culture in the mall. We spent every waking minute in the mall. And it's a classic line is like, we don't know why they keep coming back to the mall. They just keep doing it. And just like, OK, I get it. 17, 18 year old me, when I saw it, I picked right up on that whole consumerism message. And I think that was the first time I ever watched a movie where I picked up what the director was saying. Romero's always got a message there. Always does. Always does. Amanda, you sent me a picture earlier today with two people. right at the very beginning of the movie. Who did you spot?

48:09 George Romero and his, I believe, wife at the time, which I think is really interesting because you have a picture in your head of what Romero looks like when you're my age. I mean, because you see the older Romero. And I remember there was a cameo, and when I rewatched it a couple weeks ago, I was like, oh, I'm going to be able to pick him out. And I went through the whole movie and I'm like, didn't see him, didn't see him. And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh my gosh, this movie is how old he would not look like the Romero I have in my head. So when I watched it right away, I picked it up. So again, 2026 lens. So one other cameo that I picked up on, Jeff, I'm going to ask if you remember who Captain Rhodes was from Day of the Dead.

48:52 Yeah. What was his line? I'm running this farm. Yeah. If you saw Day of the Dead, Joseph Palato played Captain Rhodes, and he plays a SWAT officer. And then finally, we've talked about Martin a couple of times. Martin starred John Amplis. He had a quick cameo in this film as one of the tenement dwellers, and he was wearing a red bandana at the very beginning. But he was also Dr. Ted Fisher in Day of the Dead, as well as Nathan the Zombie in Creepshow, who had the great line, Where's my cave?

49:33 Where's my cave? I think when Romero was building up his community there in Pittsburgh, I think he had the actors who lived in that area and he would use. Them time and time again. I'm curious, who was your favorite zombie in Dawn of the Dead? Matt? I did. My favorite zombie is the one that stands up under the helicopter and gets a flat top. That was just my favorite one. That forehead is its own star of the movie right there. So it deserves its own credit. Matt, you are not alone. That is Tom Savini's favorite special effect in this movie. That's great. That's great.

50:14 I had to look at that so many times because for the longest time, I did not see how they did that. I think I might have seen a behind the scenes filming of it. And now the magic is ruined, unfortunately. Don't ruin it for me. I won't. Because I don't know how they did it, except for put a little head extension on the guy and have him stand up. Amanda, did you have a zombie that you liked? I do, but it's for a different reason, I think, than everybody else's choosing theirs. Well, it's a tie. Can I do a tie? You could do two. Sure. Okay, good. Thank you. Juan, you got to give it up to Steven. I think that's the most impactful zombie of the entire movie. When those elevator doors open and you can tell there's extra makeup, there was extra care taken into his appearance.

50:58 It's just seeing the downfall of this character that you just spent the last, God forsaken, two hours with. It's just horrific to me. Absolutely horrific. So very memorable. The other one, this is coming out of left field, guys, but it's another one that gets me every time. When Fran is sitting on the one side of the glass door, outside of Penny's, of course, or she's inside of Penny's. And there's the zombie just sitting on the floor, playing with his fingers, playing with his shoelaces, just looking lost, looking at her like he doesn't know what to do. And it makes you wonder, okay, these zombies are so disconnected. Like they say in the beginning of the movie and they repeat through the, you know, it's the repeating theme.

51:40 They're just shelves of themselves going about what they normally would do because they have no emotion. They have nothing. They just have muscle memory. It makes you wonder, is that the case for everybody? Because the look on his face, the zombie look on his face, he just looks confused. And it's such a moment of reflection in the film that I think really just hits hard. And for me, that's really memorable. His makeup was great. You know, there was nothing crazy. It's just you saw a little bit of a human side of a zombie. And I think that was pretty impactful. You know, Jeff, the zombie I thought she was going to say would have been my number two pick, which would be the nun zombie who gets her habit caught in the door.

52:20 And Fran. She just shows a little bit of mercy, if you will, and just kind of opens it so that they could get on. That's who I thought you were going to pick. But yours is. But it's the same. It's on that same vein, though. Yeah. You know, because Fran hands her back the hat and the nun just walks away. When the intrinsic behavior for these zombies we've seen would be to go after her. She's warm flesh. And she just walks away. So there's a little something, maybe a little something deeper to some of these undead than we're seeing up to that point. And we see that in Day of the Dead, not for spoilers, but we start to see that in Day of the Dead, too. So I think these two undead here that we're talking about are really a precursor for what we're going to see in the next sequel.

53:10 Jeff, who's your zombie? It's definitely the poor bastard that takes a machete to the head from Tom Savini's Blades movie. When I think of Dawn of the Dead, it's one of the most iconic images to come out of the movie. 100%. I remember seeing that photo in Fangoria Magazine. It's probably why I went to the video store and grabbed that white clamshell of Dawn of the Dead to begin with. It's such a brutal moment. I mean, especially seeing Savini just wind up, you know, rear back with that machete, just buries it in the dude's head. And then they take the time to unwedge it, you know, out of his head. It's It's an all-time zombie kill for me.

53:51 A nice preview to Friday the 13th Part 4. Absolutely. Honing his skills there. Before you saw Crispin Glover take it to the head, it's this. Guy in 78. It's fantastic. Such a good effect. I absolutely love the zombie wearing these tight swimming trunks. And I'm asking myself, what was he doing when he died? Was he swimming? Was he getting out of the pool? Was it hot? Was it cold? What was going on with him? I think we've just established that in Dawn of the Dead, these zombies, they are all different. They're clothed different. However they met their demise, there's a story and you can watch these people and you can come up with what that story might have been.

54:36 But they're all characters in themselves. I really felt that in this movie, when I walked away from it the first time watching it, the zombies were all interesting as well as being scary. Not individually, but when there's a bunch of them. And you're backed up against the wall. That's when they are scary as all get out. Yeah. Well, the thing about the zombies in this film, and you got to look at a great director who will ensure that every character in his ensemble will have their moment to shine. You know, like the generic masses of zombies that you see in other movies. Like, I'm looking at you, World War Z. They're not scary, but Romero's zombies, they... They've always been scary and somewhat tragic because of their look, because of the clothing. These things hint at who they were when they were alive. And that makes them real in that sense. And that makes them something to fear, I think.

55:30 We need to take one more break. It's a cinematic flashback. Let the show begin. It's a cinematic flashback. Now comes the question that really matters. Did Dawn of the Dead groove through the decades, lose its beat, or fall somewhere in between? Jeff, as our guest, I want to get your thoughts first. Chuck. Not only has Dawn of the Dead grooved through the decades, I think it's fair to say it'll have you doing the zombie shuffle like you're an extra in Michael Jackson's Thriller video. This is an every year watch. And take your pick. Watch Romero's cut. Watch Argento's cut. Don't watch the edited for television cut. That's just cruel and unusual.

56:16 And if you've got the resources, find that Japanese cut. Get yourself some more Goblin. Grooves on. Awesome. Amanda? Absolute guru. We've talked about what comes after this and the different layers that were added to what Romero laid out to begin with. It's fascinating to me. And like I said, man, I showed it to my 21. Well, at that point in time, he probably was only 16, 15, 16, and he loved it. So that's a real testament, man, if you can keep a teenager's attention. Especially over the two, almost two and a half hour length of this movie, which I could go on about two. But yeah, it's a it's it's a banger. Totally grooves. Matt. So I don't think it's any surprise that I'm going to say that it grooved because I think I already said it in the first two minutes of our podcast.

57:04 The other part of it for me is that it really was so full of memories and. recalling that time when we went to see the movie and we saw it again and we talked about it and everything when we were younger and the whole idea of that whole walking around the mall and everything just is so hilarious and it was so funny to my son who's like he really did that and then That sort of thing. So yeah, 100%. I think it definitely grew back in the day because we had a blast watching it. We rewatched it. We saw it on drive-in movie theater screens. And then when I watched it again, just maybe a week or so ago, absolutely just as impactful. So much fun.

57:45 A great story. A real surprising development of characters when you think it could have just been one dimensional. It definitely was not. Well, hey, this is not even a question for me. I mean, like Dawn of the Dead has to be My favorite. horror film of all time. Because of this film, I've become a fan of just the post-apocalyptic genre. Maybe not so much of the early 70s, but like the Mad Max and when stuff goes wrong. And I have also become a fan of both Night of the Living Dead, Day of the Dead. But after that, I have to say Romero's zombie films just sort of fell flat. I'm going to say that Night and Day and Dawn are just, I love them so much. Dawn was so much fun.

58:30 I had a lot of fun revisiting it again. This time, Amanda, there are things that I put together that I had never caught before. Like I had never caught that they were only three weeks in. I didn't put it together that the reason that they were at the tenement building was because the people were supposed to evacuate. They were there to evacuate them and to get rid of the dead. I always saw the television and the tenement building as two separate things, but they're giving you a lot of information that And I thought that was really, really good. Galen brings so much to her character. Roger, he frustrates me because I like him, but he's so tragic in the fact that he gets in his own way. Steven, he's almost tragic as a character. But, you know, finally, Peter, he almost completely breaks down, but somehow he finds a way to continue on. So without a doubt, Dawn of the Dead just still continues to groove through the decades.

59:25 You know, something to add to this whole groove through the decades thing. I think that Dawn is having a little bit of a resurgence right now because of what we went through in 2020. Yeah. Not to get, you know, too deep or whatever, but we also lived through a time where in the beginning we didn't know what was happening. You know, so you look at that scene from the newsroom where they're all screaming at each other. Whose fault is this? What do we do? Is it best to evacuate? Is it best to stay in our homes? I think it's something that newer audiences now can relate to. Oh, I know. Whereas 15 years ago, How do you relate to that? You can't. We just went through something where these younger audiences and newer audiences can really identify with a lot of these emotions and feelings, you know, of isolation and survival and all that. It really just brings, I think, back a lot of those core memories that are recent enough for people to be able to identify with them.

1:00:17 So I think that's probably why it's having its day in the sun right now. What you just said was not lost on me while I watched it, because I think this might have been the first time I've watched it since 2020 all the way through. That was definitely on my mind. Amanda, I want to thank you and Jeff for both coming on for Suspiria and for Dawn of the Dead. I appreciate you. Thank you for having us. That was fun. Are you crossing the finish line over at a film by? Honestly, this has been an awesome October. We kind of started off the beginning of the month with our good buddy, Wes Forsyth. We did Halloween 2. We talked about Scarefest, which we had an absolute blast at. Cannot wait to get all that stuff out to our listeners and to everyone out there listening and watching. Amanda, Slasher Girl, I never thought we'd be talking with Helene Udy on My Bloody Valentine, and that was absolutely just awesome. So, Shout out to the slasher girl because she made that episode happen.

1:01:12 She's like, you know, let's do let's do My Bloody Valentine. OK, well, let's get one of the cast. Like the fact that we were able to do that, I can't think of man enough for that. And and now we're about to sit down with yet another awesome person, Nathan Basil, who if you've seen Behind the Mask, The Rise of Leslie Vernon. Love the movie. It's celebrating its 25th anniversary. He'll be sitting down to talk with us and we'll be celebrating that one. So it's been a pretty awesome October. And I've been on the Cinematic Flashback. I've been on the All 80s Movies podcast. I've been on the Docking Bay 77 podcast. You're all over the place. Yeah. People are going to be sick of hearing me for sure. Well, Jeff, we do love a film by. We like everything that you guys are doing over there.

1:01:53 I don't know how you produce all that content. Got to hit them weights, baby. Well, that wraps up our Goblin Connection Month. We didn't really talk too much about Goblin, but we talked about everything else under the sun. Join us in two weeks as we return to Alan J. Pakula's Trilogy of Paranoia, which we started earlier this year with Clute. We're going to. Begin with The Parallax View, starring Warren Beatty. Then we will follow it with All the President's Men, where Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman play the two Washington reporters who uncovered the Watergate scandal. We want to thank you for taking the time to tune in. If you've seen Dawn of the Dead, we'd love to hear what you think. Reach out to us on Facebook or leave us a message at cinematicflashback.com. Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. And if you're enjoying the podcast, Until then, thanks for listening.

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