Dec. 31, 2025

Don’t Look Now (1973) — Grief, Time, and Disorientation in Nicolas Roeg’s Psychological Horror (Encore)

Don’t Look Now (1973) — Grief, Time, and Disorientation in Nicolas Roeg’s Psychological Horror (Encore)
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Don’t Look Now (1973) — Grief, Time, and Disorientation in Nicolas Roeg’s Psychological Horror (Encore)

In this episode of The Cinematic Flashback Podcast, Chuck and Matt revisit Nicolas Roeg’s 1973 film Don’t Look Now, starring Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie, and explore why this haunting psychological thriller continues to unsettle audiences decades later.

The conversation examines how the film uses non-linear time, fragmented editing, and repeated visual motifs to create a constant sense of disorientation. Chuck and Matt discuss Roeg’s belief that time is “lateral,” not linear, and how that philosophy shapes the audience’s experience — particularly on a second viewing.

They focus heavily on the film’s central theme of grief, looking at how John and Laura Baxter process the death of their daughter in very different ways: John through work and rationality, Laura through spirituality, therapy, and eventually psychic mediums. This contrast becomes a key driver of the story and its emotional weight.

The episode also breaks down:

  • The importance of water imagery, from the opening drowning scene to the canals of Venice
  • The repeated and symbolic use of the color red, especially the red raincoat
  • How Venice itself functions as a fractured, maze-like environment that mirrors the characters’ emotional and psychological states
  • The ambiguity surrounding the two sisters, Wendy and Heather, and whether they are spiritual guides, manipulators, or something else entirely
  • The growing sense of dread created by the background murders and the constant suggestion that something is wrong
Chuck and Matt discuss the film’s most famous sequence — the intimate hotel room scene — in terms of its place in 1970s cinema, its controversy, and how it fits thematically rather than feeling gratuitous.

They also talk about Donald Sutherland’s performance and career, his physical and emotional vulnerability in the film, and how his work in the 1970s helped define a new kind of adult, psychologically complex cinema.

Finally, the episode looks at Don’t Look Now’s long-term influence on later filmmakers, including its parallels to films like The Sixth Sense and Christopher Nolan’s Memento, particularly in how narrative structure and delayed revelation reshape meaning on repeat viewings.

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You're listening to an encore presentation of the Cinematic Flashback Podcast.

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Welcome to the Cinematic Flashback Podcast. Get ready to hop

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into the wayback machine as we journey through the wild, bold,

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and unforgettable films of the nineteen seventies. Each episode will

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break down a classic or not so classic movie with

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a fun, fresh approach. We'll explore the who's who of

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each film, dive into the premise and the plot, and

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see how it performed then and now, and wrap things

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up with did it groof to the decades or lose

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its beat? Today we're covering Don't Look Now, a nineteen

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seventy three film by director Nicholas Rogue starring Donald Sutherland

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and Julie Christie, based on the short story by Daphne

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du Moyer. Welcoming back as Matt.

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Sergeant Matt, welcome back, Glad to be here.

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Ah, we missed you at the midnights last time. I

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had quite a bit of fun.

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Oh, I'm sorry I missed it and you have to apologize.

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I have to apologize for my voice today. I have

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a bit of a cold, so I have an even

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deeper voice today, which is hardly possible.

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I am sorry to hear that. However, we will enjoy

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your deeper voice today.

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Hey, Hey, what on earth?

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Essential?

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It was Christine, Christine's deadler.

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You're said, you're so sad and there's no need to be.

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I've seen her, my sister's psyche.

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You can't contact people, can you. She's trying to get

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in touch with us, just.

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Trying to warn us.

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Don't Look Now as a nineteen seventy three film starring

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Donald Sutherland and Julie Christy as John and Laura Baxter.

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They are supported by Hilary Mason and Khalia Mattina as

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the two sisters. The film was directed by Nicholas Rogue,

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music composed by Pino di Naggio, and was edited by

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Graham Clifford. You can find this film streaming with ads

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free on Pluto TV, or if you'd rather rent it,

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you can rent it from services like Apple, Amazon and others.

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Spoiler warning. If you've ever seen this film, you know

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it's difficult to discuss it or the elements of this

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film without giving too much away. In this episode, there

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will be spoilers. Roger Ebert said of this film that

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Don't Look Now remains one of the great horror masterpieces,

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working not with fright, which is, but rather with grief

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and fear Matt overall. What were your initial impressions of

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this film.

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I had never even heard of this film, so it

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was very new to me when I watched it, and

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I did watch it in kind of broken up into sections,

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which wasn't optimal, But then I watched it all the

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way through. Can you imagine going to the movie theater

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and just basically going, well, I got to sit through

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the whole thing, and I cannot. I don't have no

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rest of it. It would have been a lot different experience.

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I bring away a kind of a unique view since

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I kind of saw it twice without resolute once without

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resolution and the second time with the resolution of the end,

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which really was impactful because I had had so many

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questions for both watchings. You know, you figure that on

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the first watch you're like, oh, okay, I don't really understand

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as confused until the end. I'm not sure how much

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other people's experience is anything more than it's a pretty

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crazy movie. You should definitely see it because it'll probably

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be a different experience for you. So that's what I

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the scariest film I've ever seen, and I'm not in

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that case either. I've read people say I was bored

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to tears all the way through up until the end.

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of movies, this is not that film. This is not

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that film. This film is a film where you go

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paying attention and understanding what you're seeing. And honestly, I'm

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probably in the camp of I've been used to being

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spoon fed so much that the first time I watched

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notes of this thing. And I think movie viewers of

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see this movie. It's not just churn and burn, you know,

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shoot them up movies. These are cinematic masterpieces being put together,

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and so it required a next level of attention. So

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in our recommendations when we talk to people, if they're

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listening to this, I would say one of the things

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this movie is to really sit down and be prepared

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to pay attention on the first time. I think you'll

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get a lot more out of it.

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Man, I want to play for you a clip of

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director Nicholas Rogue and what he was saying about Time.

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We tend to believe in the familiar. We tend to

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say that's the definite of course, that's the way we

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run into serious trouble. Time definitely has a linear sense

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to it. I don't believe it. I believe it's lateral.

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did not realize that Nicholas Rogue was playing with time,

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and the movie is told more or less linearly, but

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there are elements of the film that are out of place,

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and that created for me a sense of not really

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sure where I was the first time I watched the film.

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On the second viewing, knowing that a lot of things

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started to make sense to me, and it reminded me

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of the sixth Sense with Bruce Willis, where the first

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time you watched the film, you really don't know what's

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going on, and then the last five minutes of the

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film changes your entire perception of the movie, and then

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you can go back and watch it again and you

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enjoy it from a different aspect because now you're starting

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to see how all the elements begin to weave together.

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same characteristic.

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I have to agree with you one hundred percent, and

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even more strangely for me, as I didn't watch the

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whole thing through the first time, I watched in sections

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and I didn't get all the way through, and then

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I said I'm going to sit down and watch the

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whole thing because I am so confused and it's so

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funny because if I had just watched to the end,

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I would have figured out what's going on in the film,

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and that's why things don't seem to make sense and

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really throw you for a loop doing it. I was

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really kind of like, I don't know what's going on

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in this. I think it was effective because I didn't

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really understand that's what was happening. I mean, you always

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have sent some flashbacks in movies because it gives you

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backstory without having to do a bunch of exposition, right,

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so your main character is able to explain why the

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why they are the way they are without having to

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actually say the words of you know. And we see

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this in you know, in classical plays the soliloquy and

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when the actor sits there and has a long speech

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to the audience. Those fulfilled basically what a flashback would

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be doing. Before they really understood the effectiveness of trying

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to stage a flashback on the stage, you know, they

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talk about, this is what the person's thinking. How do

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you show what somebody's thinking? You know? So to me

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it was like, okay, I didn't care about the flashbacks.

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That didn't sort of set me off, But then everything

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else was like super disjoint. But I didn't really realize

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they were disjoint because it wasn't like he was seeing

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them in radically different clothing or aged like. It's not

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like a flash forward where you see yourself in the

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future where you're very aged but the current person is

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very young.

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very near times.

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So it was confusing, which was super effective because it

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made you feel like uncomfortable and not understand exactly what's happened.

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I got to keep watching and then it started when

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things going to click in. It really is very It

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was very satisfying.

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So one of the major themes of Don't Look Now

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is how a couple deals with grief, and at the

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very beginning of the film, a tragedy happens. Let's let's

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talk about that now.

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Sure. I would also want to tell our listeners this

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is a is a powerful scene and if you have children,

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it can be tough to watch.

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The film starts with the death of John and Laura

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Baxter's daughter Christine, who is drowning upon that's on their property.

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No one wants to either childhard though the movie or

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since you're watching the movie, it's sort of a foregone

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conclusion that that something's going to happen to precipitate the

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rest of the movie. You know, in the scene when

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Donald Sutherland's acting it, he clearly doesn't know that his

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child is has died, and so you go through all

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of that emotional, heart wrenching acting, which is, in my opinion,

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it was excellent. It was excellent acting. But he's he's

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a master, so to be expected. It sets up the

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rest of the movie all throughout.

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several times in the film.

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I think one of the ones we definitely want to

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talk about is water is huge in this movie. Obviously

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in this scene they're in the English countryside, but the

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salient thing that happens is drowning in water in a

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pond is raining, and when they get to Venice, virtually

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everything is water. I get around on water. Water is

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you know, they have to navigate around it because it separated.

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You can't get away from water.

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It's a very very powerful part of how that all

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winds through. I have a little problem with as the

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movie goes forward. You know, when parents lose a child,

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I think the last thing in the world they do

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is take the remaining child and send them off to

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boarding school. I just don't It didn't ring true to me.

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I think the first thing you would do after you

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lose a child is cling that other child to you,

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and because you're just you want to be the protector.

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So sending them off to boarding school seemed a little weird.

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And it might have been an artifact of the movie

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because later on in the movie we know that for

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some reason we have to draw the Julie Christi character

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Laura away from Venice, and so that's a good method

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to do that. But to me, I was like, yeah,

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I don't think that was gonna happen. Yeah, I don't

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think any parent I've ever met, if they lost a child,

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would let the other child just go to boarding school,

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especially because he was still quite young.

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So one of the things that I noticed in this

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particular scene was just the use of sound, and more

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like the lack of sound in some cases, because when

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you see John leaving the home, there's really nothing there,

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and it's not until he dives into the water and

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comes back up that he just releases this guttural cry

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as he's holding Christine and I could talk about how

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much I love this musical score, but right there, as

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he is crying out, the score comes in with this

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strong cello, Hugh that you just feel like it's coming

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so far inside of him as he's trying to revive

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his daughter.

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I think you're absolutely right. I mean that, and it

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sets up the tone for the rest of the film.

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But I mean, then we've just covered the opening scene.

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But I think it does talk a lot about the

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rest of the movie. It kind of gives you the

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feeling the dread and the foreboding even though things look

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like they're going well on the surface, and things like that.

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Well, one other aspect of the music that I wanted

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to point out was the piano piece that's playing at

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the very beginning. It's played as if it was played

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by a little child. It's a little choppy, it's very simple,

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and it's as if somebody was reading it for the

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first time as they were playing the music. Maybe this

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is Christine playing a song as we go through the movie.

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That melody keeps coming back through the film, getting stronger

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and bigger and more completely all the way up to

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the very final moments of the film.

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That's good observation. It probably was lost on me a

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little bit, although I feel like it was just yet

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one of another thing that was sort of building, that

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uncomfortable progressing dread. You know, we're doing movies of the

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nineteen seventies here, and I think this is a great

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example of what was generally happening. One of the reasons

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we picked the nineteen seventies is so much was happening

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in cinema at that time, so many changes, so much

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X experimentations, And this movie is a good example of

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that because it really the blurred genre. Is it a

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psychological thriller, is it a horror? Is it supernatural? You know?

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What is it? And and there are other movies that

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came out, The Exorcist and some other movies that came

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out later sort of exploring some of those same things.

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They deal with something that movies didn't deal with a lot,

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which was grief in psychological issues that would go on serily.

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Laura's obviously in therapy or because we see in the

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scene later on where she's like, I feel like I'm cured.

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Listen, I'm perfectly all right, and I haven't done as

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good as this in months and months.

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I feel really fine. I don't need pills.

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I'm not going crazy.

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I feel really great.

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And then you've already covered a lot of the techniques

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and the sound which was amazing, and there's a lot

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of ambiguity, which wasn't really a thing until the seventies

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came along. So the movies were you know, Act one,

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Act two, resolve in Act three and everybody's happy, and

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they leave, they leave the theater.

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We'll take a quick intermission here, just enough time to

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grab some popcorn or top off your drink. You're listening

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to the Cinematic Flashback podcast. Stay tuned. The show continues

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right after that, and we're back. I hope you enjoyed

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that brief intermission. Now let's roll the next reel and

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get back into the conversation. Okay, So now the movie

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shifts from into Venice, where John is working on a

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church restoration, and we're also introduced to two additional characters

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who will play throughout the rest of the film, Wendy

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and her blind sister Heather. And Heather has the gift

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to second sight, and in the bathroom, she tells Laura

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that she has seen their daughter Christine sitting between her

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and John.

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I hope you don't think is rude?

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Rude?

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Why I mean staring at you out there? Well, franctless

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stare is a two of us comes from living in

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the country.

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You know, country people.

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Oh, misty more, I'm Frctice.

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Sorry.

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Oh well, I didn't know Stephen, if you were any.

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Kind which I e.

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Is it tear the lift one? Well, let me help.

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How can you hilp?

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I can try?

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Oh no, just tie up. The last time you tried

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poking the foul.

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Perhaps I can help.

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Do you think?

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Oh that's awfully kind of you. My sister's blind.

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You see, You're.

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Said, was so sad, and there's no need to be.

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My sister's psychic.

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She wants you to know I've seen her, and she

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wants you to know that she's happy. I've seen your

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little girl sitting between you and your husband and she

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was laughing.

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Yes, oh yes, she's with you.

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She's with you, my dear, and she's laughing.

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She's wearing.

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A shiny little man.

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Christie.

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Oh, but she's loving. She's loving. He's happy as can be.

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They claim to see a little girl, They claim to

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relate that everything's okay. A drowning of a young victim

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in a young family is fairly unusual. And then for

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them to move to Venice. Remember those two ladies were

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from England as well, and they were in Venice. It

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could have been that they just knew. So there is

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some ambiguity where you're like, are these just a couple

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of grifters who are going to try to play a

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scam and get some money from you know, Laura and

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capitalize on a grief. So you're immediately you're suspicious. Yes,

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you're suspicious. Immediately it was like the whole scene, I'm

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going out. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Oh,

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so the prediction was the daughter that you recently lost

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that you're absolutely grieving for, is happy and fine. Talk

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about a receptive audience, right, You're going to go to

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someone and say the daughter that you recently drowned in

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your pond blames you and hates you. No one's gonna

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say that. So the setup for that thing is you're

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immediately supposed to be skeptical because it's such a patent,

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you know, truism that you would tell is that, oh,

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your poor daughter that just passed away cares about you

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and is happy and you know all those things you

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want to hear. And now if just for a few

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more dollars, I can I do a poem reading for

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you and tell you what's going to happen in the future.

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You know, Well, what I think it really shows here

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is that John and Laura are handling their grief differently.

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John is almost ignoring it and he's just throwing himself

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completely into his work, while Laura is trying to process

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her grief through counseling or through spirituality, trying to address

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it with religion, and now she's moving more into the

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mediums and seances. But you notice that all the men

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in the movie tend to be very pragmatic, while the

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women of the movie tend to be base less on

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what you can physically see, touch and more with what

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you can't see.

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I would agree. I would agree with that. I think

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it's a good observation, and it also might be a

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people hate to say it, but it might be something

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that's sort of true in a lot of cases that

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men handle their grief in one way with action. Women

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who are more thoughtful, generally more verbal, really want to

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talk it out, so they tend to handle their grief

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in another way. And again that's not a universal rule

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or anything, right in this particular story, that's how they

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were characterized in it, and it opens up the door

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for those two ladies.

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So, Matt, what did you think of the way the

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film used Venice as a backdrop.

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I thought it was effective, especially when you take in

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consideration the opening scenes with the drowning of the little

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child in the rain and in the pond. And I

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think Venice is like another actor in the movie because

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that she throws up lots of problems of navigating trying

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to get from one place to another, because you know,

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there are a couple of chase scenes and Venice really

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kind of throws a monkey wrench into chasing someone the way.

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Now we went over this bridge already.

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Well, I never mind it being lost in Venice.

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Down here.

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If we take a second left and we're going to

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break Oh yeah, yeah, nice, dark littlely.

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What I found interesting was normal when you see movies

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with Venice in it, you're always seeing all the big

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touristy spots. I really felt like that I was seeing

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the back alleys John and Laura get lost as they're

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going to dinner. Even the city that you're in is fractured.

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It felt fractured, is what it felt like to me.

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I think that's right on one more question, did you

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notice the use of red throughout the film?

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I mean it was a touch point in terms of

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the little girl when she drowned, was wearing a red raincoat,

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and then the person that you see around Venice it

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was wearing a red raincoat. And then there's I think

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there's red on the slide of some of the pictures.

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So it definitely sort of was the thing that kept

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a callback.

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One aspect that you had mentioned about the color red

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or the bright coloring of the red was when it

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was the muted colors of everything else, so that it

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really pops. And all throughout Venice there were signs with

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the same shade of red was being used, and it

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was very purposeful whenever it was put up there.

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Yeah, I think there's definitely a lot of thinking about

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how that color is going to play.

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I really feel that this had some influence on M.

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Knight Shyamalan, Oh for sure. Yeah, especially you know in

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the in the sixth sense where red plays a plays

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a big role.

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In So another element that is driving the story is

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that there have been a series of murders happening all

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along the canals, and throughout the film, John and Laura

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come across different scenes where a murder has recently happened.

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What what is it you feel the killer on the

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Lucy murderer My wife is not a well woman.

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Than Sai.

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Murder squad, and that generally adds to the foreboding nature

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of what's going on. And you're now worried about your protagonists.

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Do you think Laura is being duped by possibly somebody

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that might either want to steal from them or do

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harm But it's sort of it's very it's somewhat low key.

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You get to understand that some bad things are happening,

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which comes into play later. The general feeling is things

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are not one hundred percent aligned. There's an undercurrent of

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stuff happening that really throws you off while you're watching

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the movie.

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So when they get back to their hotel, we now

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come to the scene that perhaps this movie is most

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known for.

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Yeah, I think a good a good point on that,

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just to not to interrupt you too much, but part

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of it is that you know, Laura's talked to these ladies.

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She believes them, she believes her child is happy and

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everything's okay. So she's sort of renewed, right, She's she's

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she feels good, and she's in my you know, My

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estimational thing is that she's ready to reconnect with her husband,

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and they do it in a fairly graphic way. Now,

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remember this was the nineteen seventies, you know, so free

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love and all kinds of things like that, and you

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got to sell tickets into a movie, and the actors

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were willing, so we have some pretty graphic I mean,

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it's tasteful, but it's pretty graphic.

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Matt.

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Did you know the only difference between an X and

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an R rating is about ten or thirteen frames, because

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that's ultimately what they had to trim out in order

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to not get an X rating for the film Because

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of this scene. Warren Batty, he had dated Julie Christie

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for a long time, attempted to have this scene completely removed,

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and even as recently as twenty eleven, an executive of

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Paramount at the time I believe his name was Peter

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Bart had written a book in which he claimed that

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he was on the set and that the act was real,

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but Donald Sutherland had refuted that and saying you. Anyways,

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there was no way that he was everone on the

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set because it was closed, so Peter Bart wasn't even

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there at the time. But it just goes to highlight

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the mythology that has arisen around this particular scene.

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Yeah, maybe a movie matching me, maybe pornography, But the

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thing for me is it's not disjarringly inappropriate for the

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movie because if you're real, I mean, the movie is

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you know, really throws you all over the place, and

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this is yet one more thing that kind of throws

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you off. And so it's effective in that suse. I

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think we also have to look back in Like I said,

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it's the nineteen seventies and it just come out of

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the nineteen the sixties and the Summers of Love and

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all this other stuff, and they felt like American cinema

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viewers were ready to go that next step. And it

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was definitely a movie pointed at adults.

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The part that made me laugh though, there was one thing.

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There's one quote. There's there was one line that Laura

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had said to him, something about, oh, there's something on

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your side or whatever, and he looks down and she's

470
00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.319
making a comment I guess about his love handles, and

471
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.400
I found that somewhat funny because he was skinny as

472
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.519
a rail in this film. Like I said, I think

473
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:09.000
I saw more of him than I really cared to see.

474
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:13.559
But he was very, very very skinny at this time.

475
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.759
Before we move forward, I do want to mention that

476
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:21.319
Donald Sutherland passed last summer, but in the seventies he

477
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:25.400
starred in over twenty seven films, including Mash Start The

478
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.799
Revolution Without Me, Kelly's Heroes, The Actor of the Heart,

479
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:33.279
Alex In Wonderland, Little Murders, Johnny Got His Gun, Clute,

480
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:38.759
Steelyard Blues, Lady Ice, Don't Look Now, Alien, thunder Spies,

481
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:42.480
The Day of the Locust, End of the Game, nineteen hundred,

482
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:47.160
Fellini's Casanova, The Eagle Has Landed, The Kentucky Fried Movie,

483
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:52.200
The Disappearance, Blood Relatives, Animal House, Invasion of the Body Snatchers,

484
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.119
The First Great Train Robbery, Murder by Decree, A Man,

485
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.920
a Woman and a Bank in Bear Island. You could

486
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.240
do an entire podca cast solely on the films of

487
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.240
Donald Sutherland, to.

488
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:06.480
Call it to another movie. Unfortunately, it was a movie

489
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.279
in the nineteen eighty so we can't review it. But

490
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.799
it was called Eye of the Needle. I don't know

491
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.880
whose co star was in that film, but there is

492
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:16.480
a lot of He meets a widow lady or a

493
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.480
possible widowed lady up in the Shetland Islands, and he's

494
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.960
a German spy and they have a relationship in there.

495
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.440
It's very thrilling. That's a great movie, even though it's

496
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.759
not the nineteen seventies, and the Eye of the Needle

497
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.400
with Donald Sutherlan is fantastic. So I recommend that.

498
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:31.599
Well.

499
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.440
I am a big always have been a big Donald

500
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.279
Sutherland fan. He has a really unique look at it

501
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.240
about him. I think he's a wonderful actor.

502
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.599
And definitely an actor that will be missed. Laura continues

503
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:47.200
to meet with Wendy and Hillary, and against John's wishes,

504
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.119
she goes to the Sisters in an attempt to contact

505
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.759
Christine from beyond the grave. However, Laura gets a warning

506
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:55.519
that John's life is in danger.

507
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.880
Sunday afternoon, just finished lunch, something strange.

508
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.519
John just suddenly got up and rushed down to the pond,

509
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.240
almost as if he knew something was.

510
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.559
Gonna Well, he's too late.

511
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:18.960
He's strange, yes, of course, but of course he has

512
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:19.480
the gift.

513
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.039
Well, that's why the child was trying to talk to him.

514
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:23.720
He has the.

515
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:28.000
Gift, even if he doesn't know it, even if he's

516
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:28.839
resisting it.

517
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.839
You can't ever contact people, can you.

518
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.960
They all want a lot of mumbo jumbo about dicto

519
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.440
pleasant and holding hands. Second sight is a gift from

520
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.400
the Good Lord who sees all things, and I consider

521
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.880
it an impertinence to call his creatures back from rest

522
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:47.880
for our entertainment.

523
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.880
Wouldn't be for my entertainment. God's not going to be sick.

524
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.119
I grew them just not listening.

525
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.160
I Am not going to be sick, all right, John,

526
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:01.640
and listen.

527
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.839
Heather the blind bun, she is really psyched. She has

528
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.960
second sight. I mean, you'd understand completely if you'd today.

529
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.880
When I was there, she went into the most incredible trance.

530
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:22.400
Really concentrate no, John, guys. She said that.

531
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.599
That your life is in danger while you're in venice.

532
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.960
She kept on and on and on, saying, I am

533
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:29.720
going to be sick.

534
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.680
I've never been to a seance, but my guess is

535
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.640
they're meant to sort of weird you out and be weird,

536
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.160
and this one fits the bill on those. I mean,

537
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.160
it definitely looked like it was a full body experience

538
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:42.880
for the ladies.

539
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.559
And I think, again, this film is showing you that, hey,

540
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.839
the way that the seances are happening with these ladies

541
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.039
are nothing like it. But what they learn is they

542
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.160
learned that Christine has actually been there to warn that

543
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.640
John is in day and that he needs to get

544
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.880
out of Venice as quickly as possible.

545
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.440
And Laura's gets this information and then she basically starts

546
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:08.759
off on we need to leave.

547
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.839
John doesn't necessarily want to leave because he could take

548
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.880
some time off, but it's not going to be until

549
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.279
like the weekend before he can do anything. And that

550
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.160
night they get a call from Johnny's boarding school saying

551
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.440
that Johnny has been injured and they need to come home.

552
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:28.720
And I think earlier when you said why would you

553
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.839
send someone to boarding school, I think this is the

554
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.799
whole reason why they sent him to boarding school.

555
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.400
Yeah, I think it was a little bit of a

556
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.559
device to get Laura away from John. Whenever we watch

557
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.799
these movies back in the nineteen seventies, you know, we

558
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:41.759
live through it, so we understand that you didn't just

559
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:43.519
have a cell phone in your pocket and you could

560
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.640
just pick it up and call the person wherever they were,

561
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:47.880
maybe even on a plane. So there was it was

562
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.119
a long period of time before there was any hope

563
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.880
of communicating with Laura in England. So during that time

564
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.759
that Laura's in Communicado, something very big happens.

565
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.359
Will Paul's here for just a moment. Think of it

566
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:05.160
as a real change stick around. There's more cinematic flashback

567
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:09.359
coming up right after this, and we're back. The lights

568
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.319
are down, the film's rolling, and the final act begins.

569
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:17.039
Let's jump back into the cinematic flashback podcast. John returns

570
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.960
to the church where he starts to look at some

571
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.920
of the mosaic they'll be replacing, and John at this

572
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:24.839
point says like, well, you know what I'm just gonna

573
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.119
I want to make sure that they all match. So

574
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.160
John goes up on what I have to call the

575
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.079
world's worst.

576
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.519
The world's sketchiest scaffolding, the.

577
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.960
World's sketchiest scaffolding ever. It's this hanging platform on ropes

578
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:43.160
that he has to have people pully him over into position.

579
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.279
As he's looking at the differences in the original and

580
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.759
the new tiles that he has, when a board falls

581
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.519
through the glass on this rickety platform. He's hanging on

582
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.799
by one of the ropes a good twenty feet above

583
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.720
the floor of the church. Meanwhile everyone trying to pull

584
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.000
him back on and he's just spinning and they finally

585
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.960
they get him on. John's thinking, okay, this must have

586
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.359
been in.

587
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:09.599
This was the danger. I was warned of.

588
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:13.079
Something interesting about that scene. Did you notice you never

589
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:14.440
cut away to a stunt man.

590
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:14.680
No?

591
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.480
Yeah, So the stunt man said, no, I'm not doing that.

592
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.400
You don't have the proper insurance set up because that's

593
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.799
not just a floor, that's the marble flooring of the

594
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.920
church at the very bottom.

595
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.240
An unforgiving surface, and the way they shot it, the

596
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.240
floor is in focus all the time, so you couldn't

597
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:34.480
put a big mat down there.

598
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:38.559
So Donald Sutherland, I'll do this. And they wired him

599
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.559
up with a rigging that they use in stage productions

600
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:41.920
to fly.

601
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.200
It's called a Kirby wire.

602
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.960
And you probably know all of this from your day.

603
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.720
I remember them, but I do know that they did

604
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.880
that because he is actually holding a rope, but they

605
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.279
use the Kirby wire just in case he actually loses

606
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.799
his grip, which is highly likely.

607
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.039
And so later stuntman they were talking about this film,

608
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:01.240
and he said, you were wearing a Kirby He was surprised,

609
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.160
he said, because they kept spinning you around Kirby wire's

610
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.440
break when you do that. The actor was actually really

611
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:06.960
in danger.

612
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.920
It's a great scene. It's definitely a very exciting scene

613
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.920
in the movie, and one of the reasons why this

614
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:14.920
movie is so great, because it's builds up to a

615
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.720
lot of stress. This happens, and really for a good

616
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.440
long time, you're like, is he going to be able

617
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.359
to hold on long enough for them to start swinging

618
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.319
him over? If they can grab him, nobody can really

619
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.480
get him. You're on edge.

620
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.359
You're on edge. So right after this, they are like,

621
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.680
three things that happened. Number one, the bishop tells them, ah,

622
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.440
my dad he died in a fall. It's like, oh, okay, great,

623
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.920
didn't need to know that, but thank you. The second

624
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.000
thing is that while the Bishop and John are walking

625
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.279
beside the canal, they come across another homicide scene. And

626
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.160
the third thing that happens is that John is on

627
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.279
the Grand Canal and suddenly he sees Laura and Heather

628
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.119
and Wendy on another boat heading in another direction.

629
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:55.880
It only gets a glimpse.

630
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.960
It's a glimpse and John is like absolutely confused, as if,

631
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.279
wait a minute, it's my wife back. Did she miss

632
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:02.839
her flight?

633
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.160
Why? And why is she with the two ladies.

634
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.640
So there's a lot of time spent now where John

635
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.759
is trying to locate Heather and Wendy and possibly his wife.

636
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.319
He goes back to the hotel that they were staying

637
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.039
at to see if Laura had come back there. He

638
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.960
eventually goes to the police. He gets sketches and he's

639
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.960
trying to retrace his steps to find out where the

640
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.960
sisters were living. And then John makes a call to

641
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.400
the boarding school to check in on Johnny, and he

642
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.160
is shocked when the headmaster hands the phone over to

643
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:33.400
his wife, Laura.

644
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.640
Right, and I will also point out, as an audience

645
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.400
member watching the film, you're absolutely convinced that was Laura

646
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.359
on that boat and the two ladies. There's no doubt

647
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.200
in our minds, no doubt he saw was the wife

648
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.680
and the two ladies. So once he's talking to Laura

649
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.799
at the boarding school, you're just discombobulated at this point,

650
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.680
going what is this guy losing his mind? What's happening?

651
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.759
So now we have Laura who's on her way back,

652
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.720
and John, trying to correct his mistake, goes back to

653
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.920
the police station, where he finds that Heather has been

654
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.680
arrested and she's in holding. Heather is released to John,

655
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.400
who takes her back to her apartment, where they find

656
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:14.000
Wendy is already there. Heather goes into some kind of

657
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.320
trance and Wendy ushers John out very quickly.

658
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.079
They found your wife. Then, yes, it was the killings,

659
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:21.760
and it's.

660
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.400
Explained everything to me. Have we got drop a whiskey

661
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:26.880
to offer? Mister Bexter, You will stay a minute, won't you?

662
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.199
Yes, the ministers we've got for Jesse.

663
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.559
Next Tony.

664
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.519
Wait wait is there anything I can do.

665
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:39.960
That that'll be all right?

666
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:43.960
Ah ah.

667
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:51.920
Wait wait.

668
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.920
Wait, please please.

669
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:02.840
Let him not go, Matt. This is one of the

670
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.960
points of the story where time didn't quite make a

671
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.559
lot of sense to me, because I felt that Laura

672
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.960
got back to Venice very very quickly. In fact, she

673
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.440
is arriving at the hotel where Heather and Windy are

674
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.920
staying just moments after John has just left, and as

675
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.079
John is leaving, he sees a little girl wearing a

676
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.119
red rain jacket. He starts to follow after her, and

677
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.119
Laura comes out and now she's following after John.

678
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.719
So I mean, I think it leads us to a big,

679
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.719
you know, a big culmination, and I don't know if

680
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.360
we we want to share that.

681
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:50.239
It's okay, it's okay. I have a friend. I won't

682
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:50.599
hurt you.

683
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:59.639
Come on, Donnie, Matt. I couldn't spoil the end of

684
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.320
the sixth sense, and I don't really want to spoil

685
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.119
the end of Don't Look Now.

686
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.159
Yeah, so a great movie in my opinion.

687
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.960
Did Don't Look Now groove through the ages or did

688
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.039
it lose its beat?

689
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:16.840
I would say it definitely grooved through the decades, and

690
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.639
it's a great movie now. I think it was a

691
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.039
great movie then I think maybe it's possibly a little

692
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.559
greater now based on the retrospective of how much it

693
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.559
influenced movie making. I had never seen before. I hadn't

694
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.559
even really even heard of it. So for me, it

695
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.039
was a real experience and an eye opening one, and

696
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.440
I enjoyed it. I won't say it wasn't an easy

697
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.960
I mean, it wasn't difficult. It was just it was challenging,

698
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:42.719
I guess, but it was well worth it.

699
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.360
I think this film does grow through the decades, primarily

700
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.320
for the same reason that you said. It had such

701
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:53.719
influence on other directors and other films that we've enjoyed.

702
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.199
I know we talked about in Night Shyamalan, and although

703
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.360
I never saw a direct influence reference by him, I

704
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.159
did see influences by Chris Nolan on his movie Momento.

705
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.960
He has the credited Nicholas Rogan in this film for

706
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.320
some of the influences that it had on his movie making.

707
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:12.840
So again, I don't think this is going to be

708
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.000
a film that's going to be uh, one of my

709
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.880
regular rotation. I think it's a little too heavy for that.

710
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.880
Once we're done watching, this will be a film that

711
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.519
I do recommend to people. But as we said during

712
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.840
our conversation, we have to we have to recommend it

713
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.440
with a You got to know that there is a

714
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.519
scene in here that may not play well if you're

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trying to watch it with a family or something. We

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can recommend breaking Away for everybody. This one, this is

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this is a smaller audience.

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Maybe this is definitely like one of those movies like

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Algebra two Trigg in middle school. You definitely need to

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take it, but you probably don't want to go to

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retake it. It's important for your film education. It possibly

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isn't one that you want to go back and see again,

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although if someone wanted to see it, like someone said,

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oh yeah, you watch it with me, I watch it

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again for sure, but I'd be hard pressed to sit

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there and not go got to pay attention to.

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This the experience for somebody who hasn't seen the Sixth

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Sense before. And you're going with somebody who has seen

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the Sixth Sense before, You're keenly aware that they are

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looking at you to see what is your reaction to

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this in the entire time? Did you get it? Hut?

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Did you see a little over there?

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You know?

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And you will do the same thing for others when

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you watch this film with someone who hasn't seen it.

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And Matt, thank you again for joining me on this journey.

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And I also want to thank our listeners for joining us.

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If you want to contact us, you can email us

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at podcasts at Cinematic Flashback dot com or leave a

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we are trying to build this show and we would

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If you enjoyed the show, please give us a five

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us next time as we take the Wayback machine to

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the seventies to explore another film from that decade.

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Mm hmmmm.

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Well, Donald pleasants, it's it's already funny. You and I

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have to don the Sutherland Take two