Dec. 4, 2025

The Deep (1977)

The Deep (1977)
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Season 1

In this episode, we plunge beneath the waves to revisit Peter Yates’ The Deep (1977) — the sun-drenched, high-stakes underwater thriller based on Peter Benchley’s follow-up to Jaws. Joining him is special guest host Jeff Johnson from A Film By Podcast as they explore the film’s mix of treasure hunting, ocean danger, and 1970s blockbuster spectacle.

Chuck and Jeff break down why The Deep became one of 1977’s biggest box-office hits. They dive into Nick Nolte’s first major leading role, Jacqueline Bisset’s iconic opening scene, Robert Shaw’s intense scuba work, and Louis Gossett Jr.’s sharp, memorable turn as the film’s quietly menacing antagonist. The conversation covers everything from the film’s dangerous open-water shoots to the unforgettable moray eel jump scare that helped cement the movie’s reputation among fans of aquatic thrillers.

The discussion also explores The Deep’s surprising legacy — how a film that opened huge somehow faded from mainstream memory, and why the 2005 Paul Walker/Jessica Alba movie Into the Blue functions as an uncredited modern remake. Chuck and Jeff highlight behind-the-scenes stories, production challenges, character moments, and the unique qualities that make this film a fascinating entry in the 1970s adventure and thriller canon.

If you love 1970s cinema, ocean-set thrillers, Robert Shaw classics, or overlooked cult favorites, this episode is the perfect deep dive. Grab your scuba gear — this is one underwater detour worth taking.

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Five people have died over the last thirty years trying

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to crawl inside that ship, blew themselves up, talking torches around.

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the island. Come on, when somebody just cut the crap

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blew themselves.

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down with munitions and medical supplies.

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What's there?

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Morphine ninety eight thousand ambulans.

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Welcome to the Cinematic Flashback Podcast. Get ready to hop

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into the wayback machine as we journey through the wild, bold,

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and unforgettable films of the nineteen seventies. Each episode, we

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break down a classic movie or forgotten Jim by exploring

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the who's who of each film, diving into the premise

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and plot, seeing how performed then and now, and wrapping

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things up by asking did a group through the deck

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or did it lose its feep? Today we're taking the

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plunge into Peter Yates's nineteen seventy seven underwater thriller The Deep,

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based on the book by Jaws author Peter Benchley, and

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joining me again is Jeff Johnson from a film by

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podcast Sporting is scuba gear and white T shirt. Welcome

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to the show, Jeff.

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Yeah, you got address for the occasion, right, Chuck.

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Well, it's always appropriate to dress to the film, you know.

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I know we will discuss the shirt, like when we

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get there, I do want to discuss another shirt because

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I'm just I'm confused. I really am.

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Definitely, definitely we can get into there. Hey. By the way,

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I just wanted to say congratulations on the relaunch of

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your YouTube channel. That's been awesome. What do you got

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going on over there?

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Yeah, Chuck, we actually had the channel, but we just

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never really did anything with it until back in October.

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We go to Scarefest weekend. We had an amazing time.

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We were invited as a media guest, so we've got

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all these amazing interviews on camera with some really just

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awesome celebrities, and then we thought, well, what were we

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going to do with this stuff? David had this great coverage,

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so We're like, let's do some YouTube stuff, let's create

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some special So we kind of relaunched the channel a

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couple months ago and happy to see it growing and

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starting to take a life of its own. So Chuck,

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you know, this like you start with a podcast, then

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you've got to have the social media, then you got

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to have the the Patreon, and then you've got to

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have the YouTube channel, and you just it just keeps expanding, right.

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It keeps growing. Yes, all the things.

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Chuck it you know back in October if I could,

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it expands it oozes right like the Blob. Oh what

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you know something about because you were on one of

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our most downloaded episodes in October when you joined us

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for The Blob.

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I'm telling you, Chuck Russell and The Blob. I had

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forgotten how much I really liked that film and how

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much fun it was. The other thing that was a

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lot of fun was Deadly Blessing with a managing.

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Our deadly friend Amanagantic, the slasher girl. Oh, she's always

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a great time.

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One of the interviews that you had was with Michael Berryman,

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who played in Deadly Blessing. That was really cool to

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see that.

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I think someone like him. He's always quick to answer

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questions about the Hills Have Eyes or the smoke in

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the boys room, Motley Crue video, things that he's always

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asked about. So when I said, hey, let's talk about

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Deadly Blessing. He kind of perked up. He's like, okay, okay,

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we'll talk about Deadly Blessing. I got a story for you.

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So it's always fun when you get something that they're

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not prepared for.

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go back over and listen to the Deadly Blessing episode

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over at a film buy. So The Deep was not

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on my radar for the first season of Cinematic Flashback

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until you mentioned it. Tell me why this film and

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when was the first time you remember seeing it.

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I know I probably would have been maybe my teens.

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This one came from Blockbuster scanning the aisles, and I

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was like, from the guy that wrote Jaws. It's got

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that iconic box cover where they kind of take the

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Jaws artwork and instead of the shark, it's the girl

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in the white shirt and the black bikini bottoms and

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she's like struggling to get to the surface. So it

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has that ominous feeling remind you of Jaws. I was like, wait,

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Quint from Jaws is in it, and Noulty who's a

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stud and Jacque Limbussett all right, I'm in So yeah,

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I saw this in my teenage years and absolutely loved it.

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I don't know, it just it hits all the notes

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for me. It's you know, it's a little bit of

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a thriller, it's an adventure, and the cinematography's gorgeous.

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Oh yeah.

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I remember when the Cinematic Flashback podcast started and you

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made a call to the listeners on social media and

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you're like, hey, tell us if there's something out there,

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and I was like, Hey, how about The Deep? And

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then I heard, you know, it's like people, hey, we're

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still looking breapast. I was like, Chuck, come on, man,

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the Deep it's a seventies gym. Man, Like, I can't

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pay hard for this one.

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I will admit that you're talking about. You start off

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with the podcast and then you go into social media

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and you forgot one step, which is at some point

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you actually make a schedule. Yeah, of like, this is

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what we're going to do, this is when we're going

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to record, this is when it's going to release, because

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if you don't, you're just kind of you know what's next.

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And that's how we started until we figured out that

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our regular schedule is a lot better for everybody.

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I get it, man, Our schedule is finished for next

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year already.

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I have just shared our film lineup for next season,

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so stay tuned.

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I'm excited man.

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Before we dive in, I want to give a quick

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spoiler warning. The Deep isn't streaming free right now, but

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you can rent it almost anywhere if you want to

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watch it first, go ahead and hit pause, because we're

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going to talk about various plot details of the film

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that might ruin certain elements of this film for you

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if you didn't want to know, so don't worry. We're

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not going to surface until you get back. We'll take

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a quick intermission here, just enough time to grab some

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popcorn or top off your drink. You're listening to the

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Cinematic Flashback podcast. Stay tuned. The show continues right after this,

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and we're back. Hope you enjoyed that brief intermission. Now

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let's roll the next reel and get back into the conversation. Jeff.

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Here's a quick synopsis of the plot for those who've

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decided to come along. Maybe they haven't seen it, or

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maybe they've rejoined us, but David and Gail are vacationing

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in Bermuda, and the film opens on the two of

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them exploring a wreck of a ship, David finds a

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relic that looks valuable, while Gail finds an ampuel filled

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with a mysterious liquid. After returning their scuba equipment, the

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couple seek out Romer Trees, a local treasure hunter, to

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help identify the relic that David found. At dinner, the

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two are approached by Klosh, who, unknown to them, is

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a local drug kingpin who has an interest in the

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ampule that Gail has found. Soon, David and Gale find

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themselves caught between treasure hunters, criminals, and a giant territorial

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more eel lurking in the rep Let's check out the

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trailer for nineteen seventy seven's The Deep, starring Nick Nlty,

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Jacqueline Bissett, Robert Shawn and Louis Gossitt, Junior.

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From the number one bestseller by the author of Jaws,

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This is the Deep. It begins in Bermuda with the

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adventure and romance of an island vacation, a fantastic opportunity

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for two young lovers to get away from it all.

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Was it beginner's luck to discover a sunken wreck in

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less than sixty feet of water?

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Where'd you get this exactly?

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Was it coincidence that there were two treasures, one of

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priceless jewels, the other more valuable than that.

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You must be the young couple who found that bottle

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this afternoon.

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Certainly didn't look like anything. We didn't try anybody.

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The danger and excitement of pressure worth killing for, the

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adventure and intrigue of a secret worth dying for she has.

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If his tongue moves again, cut.

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It, go upstairs, pack, go home.

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I'm going down there, and you're gonna have to blow

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me up too.

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As you please, boy. And beneath it all is the

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terror of the Deep. Robert Shaw.

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I'm gonna signal you and I'm gonna fire this fuse

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after that. I don't care if you found the Holy

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Grail itself.

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You want to get three minutes?

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Jacqueline Bissett, Nick Nolty, What the hell's going on? Lewis

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Gossett forced.

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Me to take what you would not look to meet

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paid for and Eli Wallack for ninety eight thousand man pillars.

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David's morphin Moufy.

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From the number one bestseller This Is the Deep.

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The Deep premiered on June seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven, just

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two years after Jaws, and audiences were lining up because

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they wanted another undersea thriller. Look at these ingredients and

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most of these, Jeff, you've already named. It's directed by

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Peter Yates, who directed Bullet in nineteen sixty eight. It's

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based on a Peter Benchley novel and the screenplay is

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by Benchley himself. You have Robert Shaw returning once again

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to the water. Nick Nolty was fresh from the TV

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mini series rich Man poor Man and Louis Gosset Junior

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had just finished Roots and a poster. As you I mentioned,

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that was practically the Jaws design, and there's no way

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that that could have been an accident. What they wanted

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you to think of when you saw the Deep is

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you wanted to think of Jaws? Let me ask you, Jeff,

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is the Deep Mayor Vaughan's Barrakuda.

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Well, I don't know about it being his Barracuda, but

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it's certainly his Mora Ael, which will scare the hell

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out of you the first time you see it. Oh yeah,

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And you know, when you think back to Jaws, when

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we're comparing Scars and Hooper's like more ael bit right

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through my wetsuit. You know, back then I was like

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a big deal. But this thing, it's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying.

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I had to ask Matt if he's seen this, because

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if you heard him on Omen, he doesn't really like

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scary movies.

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He doesn't like horror films.

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Yeah, but he loves jump scares, you know.

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Yeah, well, Matt, this one's for you, buddy.

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Yeah. The more a eel jump scare is. It's great.

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It's a good one. But I gotta ask you. This

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film is rated PG. What do you get in this film?

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You've got underwater terror, you got blood, you got voodoo,

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you got drug traffing, and of course you got the

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most famous wet t shirt moment of the nineteen seventies,

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all rated PG.

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I kind of feel like you have the most famous

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wet t shirt moment of all time. Think about this.

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The wet t shirt contest, legend has it. It began

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in nineteen seventy one, it's whispered about, right, but nineteen

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seventy seven, thanks to Jacqueline Busset, it becomes the thing

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to do at spring break, Like what she does in

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the first ten minutes of this movie. Basically inspires the

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whole wet T shirt contest movement for generations to come.

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So I don't doubt that Peter Guber, who was the

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producer of this film, took out an ad in two

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gentlemen's magazines where he had a picture of On the

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left hand page it was Jacqueline Bessett and on the

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right hand page was the poster. She had no idea

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he was going to do that, and she was not

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happy with having her photo published in those publications at all.

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Listen, I'm going to side with Jackie, as Robert Shawl

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like to call her, because it is a little exploitive. Yes,

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let's call it what it is. That being said, it's

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brilliant marketing because what made this movie a box office

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success early on was its.

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at certain men's magazines in nineteen seventy seven, we're seeing

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a photo from the movie and saying, hey, come see

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jack Libus said, I totally understand why she threatened to sue.

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It makes sense. What's done is done right.

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Well. Peter always said that that T shirt made him

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a million dollars.

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Dude, if you made a million dollars, cut her in

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on it. You know.

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large cast. It's very tight. But I think everyone in

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here is a big name. If they're not a big name,

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then they became big names. And at the top of

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the bill you have Nick Nolty. This is his first

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starring role in a film. I believe. How does he do?

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a film called North Dallas forty starring Nick Nolty. I

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always do that as young Nick Nolty, right, and he

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is a leading man. He's just got that all American

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look to him. And to think that this is one

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of the movies he does before North Dallas forty, I

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would have just assumed, like you watched this in nineteen

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seventy seven, and then you see Nick Nolty, you go, Yep,

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he's a movie star. He's the next big thing. Yeah,

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and he's great. I believe him in the water. I

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believe him fighting off kloshes thugs. I believe him going

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head to head with Robert Shaw's character. So I loved him.

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What's pretty amazing is Each one of these actors spent

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a large amount of time in scuba gear under the

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water at least thirty feet down, and they did it

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multiple times to get this film. So each one of

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these actors did something that a lot of actors are

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not going to agree to do when they learn what

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the film is about. We talked about Jacqueline Bessett. I

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was surprised that her character and David weren't already married.

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I think they were in the book, because boy, I

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don't know what David's waiting for. She's pretty amazing in

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this film.

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Look, when you've got the girl that wants to go

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on the adventure with you and wants to be right

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there by your side when you're thirty forty feet down

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looking for burry treasure, why wouldn't you want to spend

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the rest of your life with her, especially when she

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looks like Jacko.

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Bassett exactly right.

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Yeah, sign me up, Chuck.

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There's a point in the movie where she gets backed

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into a corner and she has kind of a low

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moment for her character, but by the time the end

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of the film, she's taking on on the bad guys

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on her own terms as well. Yeah, she's a good

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character in the film that has a good story arc.

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probably has the best character arc. I think she has

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the best storyline as far as like growth and overcoming adversity.

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Her character reminded me a little bit of Lee Remick

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in The Omen Okay, just in the fact that all

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the male lead they had their scuffles. Like Lee Remick,

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she gets put through the ringer, whether it's in the

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opening underwater sequence when she first encounters the moray eel yep,

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we don't yet know that's what it is, all the

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way to getting attacked in her apartment and then finally,

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unlikely Remick's character, she is not thrown out of a

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hospital window, thankfully, but she does have to defend herself

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when she comes up out of one of the final

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dives in the film, Chuck.

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Let's not forget that very tense moment close when oh

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He shows up to search them the little glass bottle. Yeah,

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and just such a tough moment for the character, I think,

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but does what is needed to be done, you know?

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To say at that point, I think she's saving David. Honestly,

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Nalty's character, I don't know.

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Where ook, she hasn't got it.

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If his tongue moves again.

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Cut it.

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Well, since neither of you have seen to have that bottle,

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I must assume it is now the property of Ruma.

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Let him go.

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Do you remember the scene at the end of Romancing

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the Stone where Jack has the stone in his pants

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and he gets kicked and he's kind of yep, and

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it comes sliding down and he kicks it off his boot.

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I kept waiting for Close to do that to David

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looking for the ampuel okay, looking for the yeah yeah,

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is what it turns out to be, and Klose is

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wanting to get the morphine to turn it into some

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distributable drug. The character of Klos is played by Lewis

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Gossid Junior. Yeah, Louis gossip is always so magnetic, Chuck,

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we over at the Film By podcast have covered I

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want to say we've covered four different Lewis Gossa Junior movies.

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At this point, because he's awesome. So when I was

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campaigning for The Deep over here, it wasn't so much

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a white T shirt. It was lou Gossip Man he's awesome,

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and to see him play a bad guy is fantastic

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because he doesn't typically do that.

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That was what surprised me at the beginning of the film,

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because when Klose first approaches David Ingale, he presents himself

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as a collector of rare glass and he tells them

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some story that it's from some famous maker, And so

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I was thinking, he's a treasure hunter, you know, and

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he's a collector.

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He's like Dona and from Last Crusade, right, he's yeah,

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harmless or reason.

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We have Trees, right, Romer Trees played by Robert Shaw,

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And I just thought that the two of them were

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going to be competing treasure hunters and that Gale and

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David were going to be caught between these two characters.

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So you said, you've covered Lewis Gossip four times in

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our first season of Cinematic Flashback. We have had Robert

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Shaw in four of our episodes.

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Which stuns me because you say Robert Shaw, you immediately

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think Jaws, and if you're me, I always think Jawls

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and the Deep, the Peter Benchley double shot. You guys

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covered this movie at Black Sunday. Yeah, And as soon

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as I was done listening to that. I had to

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go watch the film, mainly because I wanted to see

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another Robert Shaw movie. And then and obviously the Taking

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a pelelem one two three, which is a classic, but

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it kind of had fallen off my radar my whole life.

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So you guys have beefed up my Robert Shaw filmography,

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just like you have my Donald Sutherland filmography. And I

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appre you guys for that.

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Donald Sutherland, I believe, is a close second. I think

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we've done three. Maybe we might have done four with

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Donald Sutherland. But one of the things that Matt talked

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about on the Taking of pellam one two three, I

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cannot believe that he died in nineteen seventy eight, so

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like a year after this film he died. He was

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fifty one, And I cannot look at Jaws and hear

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him deliver the Indianapolis speech. Yep, and he's something like

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what forty seven forty eight probably when they're filming it.

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What a talent this man was. Absolutely Eli Wallack he

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plays Coffin, who was one of Teresa's assistants. You may

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know Eli Wallack as Tuco from the Good and the

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Bad and the Ugly He was also in The Magnificent Seven.

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Unfortunately most of his material ended up on the cutting

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room floor.

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Yeah, it's interesting you say that, Chug, because there is

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an extended version of this film, and if you have

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the Blu ray or the DVD, you kind of get

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treated to a lot of the deleted scenes. And I,

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for the life of me, I don't know why they

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cut so much of it, but there's a lot more

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Eli Wallack, and there's a lot bit of an Eli

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Wallack's son. I didn't know if you knew this, Chuck.

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Did he play the young Romer Trees?

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His son played the young Adam Coffin. Okay, and Robert

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Shaw's son played the young Rumber Trees.

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They both run set because we get this great opening

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about the Goliath and it's sinking, and these guys just

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called up their sons and had them play the younger

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versions of themselves.

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The Goliath is a wartime supply vessel that had both

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munitions and files of morphine that they were taking to

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the war front. During a storm, it sinks. Adam Coffin

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is the only survivor and he washes up on shore,

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where he is found by the young Romer Trees at

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the beginning of the film. I saw this somewhere. Maybe

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it was like a YouTube when I was researching, but

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I would love to see this. I think they included

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it in the ABC Sunday Night movie.

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Chuck, speaking of TV, though, did you ever get the

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chance to watch the CBS special presentation?

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I looked for that. I could not find it. I

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have not seen it.

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All the more reason to own a physical copy of

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this because you're treated to the making of The Deep

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hosted by Robert Shaw. Chuck. What's cool is it's nineteen

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seventy seven. ABC releases the making of Star Wars.

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Oh yeah, not that one I saw.

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Well, we all saw that one. But Colombia again, like

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this movie. The marketing behind this movie is just genius.

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Columbia sees what Fox is doing with Star Wars and

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they're like, we'll do that too, So they create a

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one hour special for CBS and when you watch it,

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it's so goot. Remember that CBS special presentation. I always

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love that.

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That told you you were in for something good.

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And right there off the there's Robert Shaw stand in

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front of the ocean, like, Hey, I'm Robert Shaw, and

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we're gonna talk about the dangers and the beauty of

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the deep.

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Jeff, I want to give you some numbers about the deep. Okay,

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let me have it, Chuck. Over one million cubic feet

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of compressed air was used in this film, nearly eleven

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thousand person hours underwater, approximately nine thousand dives logged. It

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was one hundred and fifty three days of production. It

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was the seventh highest grossing film of nineteen seventy seven,

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behind the likes of Star Wars, Close Encounters and Saturday

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Night Fever. It cost Peter Goober a half million dollars

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to buy the rights deal before the novel was published.

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It was filmed in not one, not two, but four

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different oceans, the Pacific, the Atlantic, the Indian, and the Arctic.

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The film was released eighteen months after the novel. It

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was Peter Binchley's second novel, and it was his second

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novel to be adapted into a film that starred Robert Shaw.

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And it was the first film to employ an underwater

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script supervisor for continuity. So, Jeff, how does a movie

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this successful just vanish from the cultural conversation.

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That's a great question that I don't have an answer

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to because I feel like this movie delivers on everything

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it promises to. We've talked about the action, the romance,

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the beautiful scenery. Let's not forget Robert Shall tells Peter

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Guber well, really make this movie awesome. Let us do

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the underwater filming.

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Director Yates felt that the actors took precedence. Even with

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all the hardware, it was crucial that they themselves played

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their parts underwater.

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When you've seen Nick Nolton and trying to reach a

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piece of gold and being unable to reach and having

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to take his moskue off and do it without any

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breathing underwater, when you see him do it himself, I

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think an audience gets much more involved and is much

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more frightened, and therefore enjoys the picture much more.

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I think the biggest thing.

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In diving is your own personal fear.

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And you're spend the first three weeks just reacting to

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another environment.

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You're in a kind of a weightless situation.

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There's fish swimming around you, there's sponges, there's octopuses, there's

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all sorts of things.

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You're sitting there, you and go you go oh. Your

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main reaction is wow, you go down.

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They're the first thing that strikes you just say, Jesus, see,

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I'm breathing underneath the water. This I don't know if

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I was supposed to do that, you know, if I

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was supposed to do that when I have gills.

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You're seeing Nolty in beset in camera doing a lot

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of these things. Like I always think about that moment

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where Nolty's struggling. He's like in that really tight crevice

464
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.359
and he has to take off his mask and his

465
00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.680
you know, his O two or whatever just to reach

466
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.400
and you can clearly see it's him, Chuck. They're eight

467
00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:59.319
miles out and they're anywhere from thirty feet to one

468
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.359
hundred feet deep depending on the day. That's some dangerous stuff.

469
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.759
So right there, that should have been enough to make

470
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.160
this like one of the most important movies the seventies,

471
00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:08.279
if not in a history.

472
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.799
If I was to tell anybody why you should watch

473
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:14.359
this film, it's for exactly what you just said. Right there,

474
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.720
you're seeing the actors. You see there's stunt doubles, of course,

475
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.119
but for the most part you can tell it's Nick Nolty.

476
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.240
You can tell it's Robert Shaw. And Robert Shaw has

477
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.640
an interesting diving suit Can.

478
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.920
We talk about this real quick, please? Okay? Because I

479
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.799
know we all love to focus on the white T

480
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.079
shirt that Jack Lobissett uses to dive in. I got

481
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.000
to ask, why is Robert Shaw diving in a white

482
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.440
collared button down shirt and a Parakhakey's Oh, don't forget

483
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.240
the socks and the sock yeah, the socks. Like I

484
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.759
couldn't find anything on why this choice is made. I

485
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.039
don't maybe it's in the book, but don't you think

486
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:52.920
that's a little weird?

487
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.039
You know, he's Robert Shaw playing Romer trees. That's all

488
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:56.680
I could say.

489
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:01.039
This is like, hey, uh my very cool single uncle

490
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.000
is gonna teach us how to dive. But he's not

491
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:05.640
going to spend the money on any kind of a

492
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.839
diving attire. He's just yeah, yeah, let's do let's do this.

493
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.759
He's not once, but I get it if you're like,

494
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:13.799
you're in the middle, Like the story called for him

495
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:15.839
to have to do it, sure in the moment, but

496
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:17.640
he does it like what twice three times?

497
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.440
Every time he's down there, he's dressed in khakis or

498
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:24.960
whatever he was wearing above above surface. It's no secret

499
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.759
that Robert Shaw enjoyed his drink m yep, and he

500
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:35.480
and Nick Nolty got along very famously, either in between

501
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.839
breaks or outside of breaks. I think at some point

502
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:43.359
they were worried that maybe Robert Shaw was diving, possibly intoxicated.

503
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.680
So here's the thing about that. All these actors have

504
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:51.519
to become certified divers. Right, Shaw decides, if I'm going

505
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.799
to do this, you can send someone out to my house. Yeah,

506
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:56.599
in Ireland, I think is where he was living at

507
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.240
the time, and that guy was like, I know, I've

508
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.039
heard the stories about Jaws. This guy is gonna be

509
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.480
drunk like the whole time, and I'm a little worried.

510
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.960
But more to the point, Chuck, when you watch this

511
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:14.000
CBS special presentation that's hosted by him, Robert Shaw has

512
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:18.559
this fun little antidote about Nick Nolty's birthday while they're filming,

513
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.880
and wanted to cheer Nick Nolty up a little bit.

514
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.160
Nolty was using like a double tank situation.

515
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.559
Working down there with Noughty, I invented a new thing.

516
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:31.480
He has a twin pack now scuba tanks too. You see,

517
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:34.720
one is full of you know, the usual thing are

518
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:41.400
and the other is full of neat vodka. And it's

519
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.359
worked on a special little suction pump which we've worked

520
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.240
out precisely, and so we get mocked them out for

521
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:49.680
suscitation either way.

522
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.799
And Chuck think about this. He's telling this on primetime

523
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:56.599
television and he's like, hey, He's like, you know, you

524
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.640
have enough drinks. You don't worry about the sharks that are,

525
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.240
you don't worry about drowning, you don't worry about getting caught.

526
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.079
You just have a good time. And I'm thinking a

527
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.039
lot of people probably watching that in nineteen seventy seven

528
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.559
chuckling and going, oh, that Robert Shaw. But I gotta wonder, like,

529
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.200
was he really telling a true story because we know

530
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:16.200
the situation with Shaw.

531
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.480
Did you hear or did they talk about in the

532
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:23.720
CBS special about the biggest underwater sound stage.

533
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.319
But the major logistical achievement of the film was this

534
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.279
remarkable underwater set one hundred and twenty feet in diameter

535
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.160
and thirty feet deep. It contains fifty pounds of sand

536
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.720
and a million gallons of actual Atlantic water.

537
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.759
It was built on Boez Island in Bermuda. It's roughly

538
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.359
one hundred and twenty feet wide, thirty feet deep, and

539
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:49.200
it's a saltwater tank which functioned as a fully underwater studio,

540
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.960
and because the bus was a controlled environment, Yeates was

541
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.680
able to control the lighting, the visibility, so you get

542
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.799
just amazing underwater.

543
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.519
Composition, beautiful filming.

544
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.839
It doesn't look like it's filmed in a pool, and

545
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:09.240
most importantly, it kept the actors safe while showing Nick Nolty,

546
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.920
Jack Limpussett and Robert Shaw actually diving. There were times

547
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.599
I could not tell when they were in open water

548
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.680
versus when they were actually on the set.

549
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.160
It's the most impossible to tell between the two because

550
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.279
you gotta remember, like the fact that they're pumping in

551
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.799
the seawater. I mean, everything's gonna match up as far

552
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.200
as I'm concerned. It's the same locale, it's the same water.

553
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.640
I was kind of surprised to find out that they

554
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:37.440
had built this giant underwater set on location. I couldn't tell.

555
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:38.799
I absolutely could not tell.

556
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.519
Will pause here for just a moment. Think of it

557
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.359
as a real change stick around. There's more cinematic flashback

558
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.559
coming up right after this, and we're back. The lights

559
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.519
are down, the film's rolling, and the final act begins.

560
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.759
Let's jump back into the cinematic flashback podcast. So The

561
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.920
Deep was a box offic success in nineteen seventy SI,

562
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.640
but it had a mixed critical reviews, as you could imagine,

563
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.359
and today it sits around thirty eight percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

564
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.359
At thirty eight percent, does that feel right to you?

565
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.519
It feels absolutely wrong. I don't understand it. I think

566
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.839
people that are rating it they got the bends. Maybe

567
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.480
they came up from they came up too fast.

568
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.599
They came up way too fast.

569
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:25.440
Yeah, they came up way too fast. This should not

570
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:26.400
be at thirty eight percent.

571
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:29.160
The only thing I can think of is that if

572
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:34.240
you're going in and you have the mindset Jaws, Jaws

573
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.400
is a once in a lifetime film. You can't compare

574
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.920
Jaws really to anything else. But if you take The

575
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.039
Deep on its own, it's definitely not a thirty eight percent.

576
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.079
Maybe that's what's wrong. People go, Hey, you like Jaws, right,

577
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.759
this is The Deep. This is the same guy. It's

578
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:54.200
even the same actor. And maybe you go in with

579
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.079
a little bait and switch. Maybe you just assume that

580
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.480
you're going to see something terrifying, like the Eel. But

581
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.480
that's not what's terrifying. You know, we got a whole

582
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:06.160
different situation happening with drugs and treasure and voodoo, and

583
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.880
maybe people are like, yeah, it's not for me. Yeah

584
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.359
it was for me though, I love the deep.

585
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.000
What about this film worked for you? Were there any

586
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.279
scenes that you just liked that we hadn't really gotten into.

587
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.359
Let's just get the one out of the way. The

588
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.880
opening of this movie.

589
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:25.960
Fuck, what the hell are you trying to know?

590
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:30.799
Down?

591
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:40.599
Or was it I don't something crumb my own mirror.

592
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:43.279
Here?

593
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.119
Come listen.

594
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.880
I told you you gotta stay with me, David.

595
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.440
I think one thing that Peter Yates as really, really

596
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.079
well is it kind of lulls you into this false

597
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.920
sense of security because you're too busy staring at Jaqueline

598
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.960
Busset until she has that first encounter with the eel,

599
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:13.759
and we don't know it's an eel, we don't know

600
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.920
what's going on. And that's a violent jerk of her

601
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.799
arm underneath that that crevice, and it's terrifying because it

602
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.200
just keeps hammering at her right because she's caught, she's trapped,

603
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.359
and it will not let go. And you got to

604
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.599
remember the stunt woman dislocated her shoulder because the guys

605
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.160
on the other side were told Yates said, hey, as

606
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.400
hard as you can, and they didn't know. They didn't

607
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.400
know that they're physically hurting this woman.

608
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:37.759
But it was very violent.

609
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.119
It takes you out of that hole, like, oh, Jacquelin Busset.

610
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.480
Now you're like, oh my god, jackelab Busset, someone safer,

611
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:43.240
Someone help her.

612
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.279
It's playing on your fears of drowning.

613
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.319
Oh, absolutely it does. And Chuck, if I could take

614
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:53.119
you back. This movie opens against the Exorcist to the heretic,

615
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.519
and what actually was amazing was that the word of

616
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:00.880
mouth on The Exorcist two was so negative as opposed

617
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.720
to the strong word of mouth about Jacqueline Bassett in

618
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.960
the first ten minutes of The Deep being so positive

619
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.559
that when the dust settled, the Exorcis too was like

620
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.039
a very distant second. In box office, The Deep was

621
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.160
the number one movie. So you gotta give that white

622
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.440
T shirt credit one last time.

623
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.279
Peter Goober said that by the time people sat down

624
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.759
and were watching The Deep, they had already seen at

625
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.000
least fourteen minutes of the film. You know, there's two

626
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.359
parts of making a movie, right, there's production and there's distribution,

627
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:37.559
And in the distribution part. It's their responsibility to promote

628
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:41.240
the film, to get it booked into theaters. And the

629
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.960
marketing of this film was so well done that it

630
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.200
put butts in seat and it just blew Exorcist too

631
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.359
out of the water. What did you have next?

632
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.480
Let's get out of the water for a second, because

633
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.200
I think one of the best scenes in the film

634
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:03.240
the cliff elevator fight between Nick Nolty's character and one

635
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:07.119
of Klosch's henchmen. And I'm not afraid of heights, but

636
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.920
watching this thing, I'm terrified of heights. Oh yeah, because

637
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.239
we've got this thrilling moment where David is rushing back.

638
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.320
They get in the shallows, he dives off the boat,

639
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.199
swims hits the beach running because Gail is in danger.

640
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.039
He knows Gail is in danger, and the fastest way

641
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.199
to get up to her is this. When I say elevator,

642
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.599
I'm talking about like a two square.

643
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.400
Feet It's not an elevator that you really would want

644
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.639
to take down. I would probably take the stairs.

645
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.519
It's one action. When I say this makes me feel

646
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.559
like I'm watching the James Bond film. This scene definitely

647
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.000
did it. It's terrifying.

648
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:42.840
What I liked in this scene is that there's like

649
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.679
a one two punch, right. The first punch is when

650
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.280
David finally dispatches the individual that they're fighting, and then

651
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.360
the second punch is he realizes that the counterweight is

652
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.519
shooting up and he's right on top of it, so

653
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.199
he has to move at the very last second when

654
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:02.360
it comes up, and you're just like.

655
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:19.760
Wow, it's nineteen seventy seven. How did they do that?

656
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.320
How did Nick Nolty not just get murdered on set?

657
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.840
I don't understand. It's harrowing.

658
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:37.159
Growing up, I always wanted a moped. There was something

659
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.519
that just took me back to nineteen seventy seven seeing

660
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.800
David and Gale going about the island on their mopads,

661
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.840
because all of a sudden, I'm thinking, oh, I always

662
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:56.840
wanted one of those. And then they have to throw

663
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:03.239
in the excitement because now there's a truck that's barreling

664
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:03.920
down on.

665
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:12.000
Them, menacing truck. The great thing about this, and what

666
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.039
makes it really tense and nerve wracking for you, is

667
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.960
that the truck is not trying to push David into

668
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.639
the wall and take him out. It's going after Gail.

669
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:28.079
I wonder what the hell this guy's doing.

670
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.880
I'm watching this just terrified for David because, like just

671
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.880
the helplessness that he has to feel, because you know,

672
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:40.599
if you're the one that the truck is going after,

673
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:49.880
you're helpless regardless. And I'm scared for Gail, but I'm

674
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.119
more scared for David because he's right there in the moment.

675
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.679
What is he gonna do? Chuck Like, how does he

676
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.480
save his girl? He can't? Yeah, And that helplessness it

677
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:11.639
kills me every time I watch this movie. I love

678
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.320
that scene, but I kind of hate it too.

679
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:18.480
If you're keeping score, Gail has already nearly drowned. She

680
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.880
has almost been run over by a truck. She has

681
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.199
been made to strip down to show that she doesn't

682
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.559
have the ampule of morphine on her body.

683
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.000
There's a lot put on Gail. I think there's one

684
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:32.719
more scene I like to address. And you know, the

685
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.239
whole reason that David is rushing up this terrifying cliff

686
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.559
elevator to get to her is because we see that

687
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.920
on the island, the lights are out and we get

688
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.079
this terrifying voodoo attack. I've seen this in a couple movies,

689
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:50.320
and every time you're like, please, don't kill the woman. Please,

690
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.000
don't assault the woman, and they never do because it's

691
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.760
not about that. It's about fear. It's about putting fear

692
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.320
in someone. So they you know, you've got these guys

693
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.840
in these crazy get ups and they're scary as I'll

694
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.880
get out. But then they're holding the woman down. They

695
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.519
slowly cut her clothes open, but not to show anything,

696
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.159
just to just to get to that chicken foot that's

697
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.960
dipped in blood so they can draw their voodoo stuff

698
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:18.920
all over. Yeah, it's just horrific to watch, and it's

699
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:19.840
a terrifying moment.

700
00:38:19.920 --> 00:39:04.159
So I think that in my thig line, we'll go

701
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.599
we'll go home tonight.

702
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.599
The airport's close, no way off the island. Let's come

703
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:10.039
home with me.

704
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.400
I bought my ticket for The Deep. All right, we're

705
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.039
treasure hunting. It's an action movie. We're having some fun.

706
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:22.519
Voodoo assault does not register. So when it hits, you're like,

707
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:23.519
where did this come from?

708
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.480
My last one that I have to bring up? And

709
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.000
we flirted around it. It has to be the Moray

710
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.639
Eel Percy. I'm sure they had some scenes like in

711
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.840
Jaws of a real Moray Eel, but they also had

712
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:40.840
the mechanical Moray eel and they named it Percy. Percy

713
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.360
lives in a hole in the Goliath, And once you

714
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.079
know where the hole is, every time they have to

715
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.880
swim nearby it, the camera will just kind of linger

716
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:55.000
up at it. You're waiting to let you know where

717
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.320
you are in relationship, and at any moment you're ready

718
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.079
for that jump, scared to happen again. And I think

719
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.440
Peter Yates milked that hole for all it was worth.

720
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:10.239
That little hatch in the Goliath, that dark hatch. That's

721
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.320
one of the scariest things in this movie because every

722
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.880
time they go near it, you're like, in there, is

723
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:18.960
it coming out? We know you're not going in there,

724
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.480
but is it gonna poke its head out again?

725
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.039
This was check Off's eel. This is definitely check Offs

726
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.320
the eel. They showed the eel in the first act.

727
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.639
You know it's coming back for the third, so.

728
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.119
Well, you're kind of on edge the whole movie because

729
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.360
you're like, where is that eel? It's out there? They

730
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.519
keep going back to this shipwreck. You know it's in there.

731
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.360
You know it's out there somewhere. If it's the first

732
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.719
time watch you're looking in the murky areas of the water,

733
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.440
like is it there? Is it coming?

734
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.360
Any scenes in here that just didn't work for you.

735
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.320
I'm not gonna say that there were scenes that didn't

736
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.079
work for me, but I will say that maybe some

737
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.400
of the underwater stuff could be trimmed a little bit.

738
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.000
I understand, like we want to just hang out with

739
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.760
all the splendor, but you can probably tram a little

740
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.440
bit these underwater scenes, just a tad, how about you?

741
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.159
And I felt that sometimes when they were out of

742
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.360
the water that all of a sudden you started getting

743
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.360
a lot more exposition, and for me it was like, Okay,

744
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.360
it's starting to slow down here. I've kind of gotten

745
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.119
addicted here to the adventure and the action and stuff.

746
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.880
I'm ready for it to go on. And I know

747
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.360
you liked the voodoo sequence. For me, that just felt

748
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:29.639
it kind of felt a little girl to it is

749
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:33.679
because it didn't really seem to change the plot. Again,

750
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:38.320
I'm keeping score, So this is number four for Gail. Yeah,

751
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.760
attacked by voodoo a Haitian voodoo sequences.

752
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:46.559
We've thrown everything out here at this point. Some voodoo.

753
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.360
So let me tell you what when you find a

754
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.440
woman who is that strong and she can get back

755
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.719
up and spear a guy at the very end. David,

756
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.119
you marrier. So before we asked a question, was there

757
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:01.199
anything else you wanted to cover?

758
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:01.559
Jeff?

759
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.480
You know I I think we went deep enough on

760
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:04.760
this one.

761
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.159
Chuck. I see what you did there. Okay, let's ask

762
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.760
the question, did the Deep group of the decades or

763
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.880
did it lose its beat?

764
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:18.360
Hop it the wayback machine and rolling back eight years

765
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.199
to the silver screen magic.

766
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:21.760
Jeff, what do you say?

767
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.239
I do think it grooves and Chuck, if you agree,

768
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.639
if your listeners agree, let's not forget about the remix

769
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.480
that's out there. Do you know what I'm talking about?

770
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:33.639
I don't.

771
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.880
I am talking about the two thousand and five film

772
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.760
called Into the Blue, starring Jessica Alba and Paul Walker

773
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.400
and Scott con and Josh Brolin. Here's the thing. It's

774
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.159
not a remake. It was never builed as a remake

775
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.159
of the Deep, but it is a bona fide remake

776
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.840
of The Deep. Have you seen you know the movie

777
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:53.960
I'm talking about, Chuck, You've seen it.

778
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:55.760
I having put it together. So my mind's a little

779
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:56.480
blown right now.

780
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:59.960
But think about this, Paul Walker and Jessica whether a couple,

781
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.760
they're trying to make ends meet. They're treasure hunters, right,

782
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.440
and then they get caught up and this whole thing

783
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.480
of we found a shipwreck. There's treasure, but unfortunately there's

784
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.199
also drugs, and the guy that we think is our

785
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.880
friend is not our friend, and he's the bad guy,

786
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.920
and now we got to take him on, and we've

787
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.199
got this these spectacular moments underwater. Into the Blue has

788
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:26.519
everything story wise, character wise that The Deep has. The

789
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.679
only thing that's missing is a white T shirt for Jesscalba.

790
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.199
She didn't do that. She didn't need to because she

791
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:34.440
looks fantastic in the bikini that she's wearing. Paul Walker

792
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:38.159
looks fantastic. It's a great movie, but I'm watching it

793
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.880
going Does anyone else not realize that we're watching The

794
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.039
Deep from nineteen seventy seven? This is The Deep, Chuck.

795
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.639
I can hear David Spade saying, but I liked.

796
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.920
It better the first time I saw it when it

797
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:49.599
was God.

798
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.159
The Deep The Deep. Yeah, absolutely great film. I'm not

799
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.159
taking anything away from it. But like the tagline says

800
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:58.039
on the poster, is the treasure worth the terror? It

801
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.079
absolutely is? Because this movie grooves man.

802
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.719
This film was fast tracked to cash in on Jaws.

803
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:09.320
You have the same author, the same actor, ocean setting.

804
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.320
Audiences showed up. It sank Exorcist too on its opening weekend,

805
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.920
but ask people about it today, and I don't think

806
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:23.199
most people know that it even exists. It didn't have

807
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.400
the same cultural impact that Jaws had, even though the

808
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.159
film was a hit. Jaws is a once in a

809
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.639
lifetime kind of movie, but nothing is going to come

810
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.719
close to being a Jaws. That thirty eight percent score,

811
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:41.239
it's way too harsh. There are scenes that could have

812
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.480
been tightened up, some of the exposition, some of the

813
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.159
diving scenes also could have been tightened up. We could

814
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.239
have made this maybe an hour and forty minute movie

815
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.760
other than a two hour film. But and that underwater

816
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.840
work still looks so good even being a film from

817
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:04.079
nineteen seventy SI you're watching Robert Shaw, Nick Nolty, and

818
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:09.320
Jacqueline Besset for real in scuba gear underwater. So even

819
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:12.320
though the times may have forgotten the deep, I still

820
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:16.559
think it grooves. I really liked it. So before we

821
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:20.599
sign off, Jeff, what is coming up on a film buy?

822
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.320
What should listeners be excited about.

823
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.679
Well, it's December. We're wrapping things up for the season.

824
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.159
We got some fun stuff happening. I'm not gonna spoil it,

825
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.559
but I will say next week happy to have the

826
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.760
Voice of Reason herself, Amber Lewis back in the studio

827
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.920
with me. Every year we always try to find a

828
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.719
couple obscure movies that I feel our Christmas movies, even

829
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.320
though they're not labeled Christmas movies. So her and I

830
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.079
will be talking about a film by Danny DeVito, his

831
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:52.280
amazing dark comedy War of the Roses. Fantastic fun on

832
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.280
that one, and then of course two days later, our

833
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.760
good buddies David, Wayne and Scott's will be back on

834
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.800
the Bridge where our phaser set the stun Star Trek

835
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.679
themed podcast. They're getting close to wrapping up their starter

836
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.920
treks Deep Space nine. I believe they're up to season six,

837
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.639
so it's just about wrapped up.

838
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.960
Hey, Jeff, thank you so much for making this happen tonight.

839
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.159
I thoroughly enjoyed talking about the.

840
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.000
Deep Yeah, Chuck, thank you for the opportunity. Thank you

841
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:20.920
for taking a chance on this one, because I was

842
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.239
very happy to be a part of it.

843
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.639
It was my pleasure. I rediscovered a film that I

844
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.119
really liked. And thank you listener for hopping into the

845
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.400
wayback machine with us today. Have you seen The Deep?

846
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.440
Tell us what you thought about it and where it

847
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.440
ranks in the Robert Shaw Ocean cinematic universe at Cinematic

848
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:41.800
flashback dot com. Join us next time as we dive

849
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.639
into another film from that gruvious decade in cinema. And

850
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.920
until then, beware of anything hiding in underwater holes. It

851
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.079
probably bites

852
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.440
Out dude in every city in town, and we'll see