Oct. 22, 2025

The Omen (1976) Richard Donner

The Omen (1976) Richard Donner
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Season 1
This week on The Cinematic Flashback Podcast, Chuck and Matt are joined by special guest Jeff Penano to revisit The Omen (1976), directed by Richard Donner and starring Gregory Peck and Lee Remick.

A chilling blend of horror and mystery, the film follows an American diplomat who discovers that his adopted son may be the Antichrist himself.

What We Talk About
• Richard Donner’s breakout as a major Hollywood director and how this film put him on the map
• Gregory Peck’s surprising casting and the debate over whether he fit the role
• Jerry Goldsmith’s Oscar-winning score and why it remains one of the most haunting in cinema
• The film’s unforgettable death scenes and inventive practical effects
• Performances by Lee Remick, David Warner, and Billie Whitelaw that elevate the horror
• Whether The Omen still grooves through the decades or loses its bite

The hosts explore how The Omen defined the “religious horror” boom of the late ’70s, the power of suggestion versus spectacle, and why this film still resonates nearly fifty years later.

Plus, they share behind-the-scenes trivia — from baboons on set to Richard Donner’s casting surprises — and the movie moments that made them flinch, laugh, or shake their heads.

If you’re drawn to classic horror that mixes supernatural dread with old-school craftsmanship, this episode dives deep into one of the genre’s most influential films.

Connect With UsVisit our website for episodes, news, and more: https://cinematicflashback.com

Credits

Music by: “1975” – Josh Kirsch / Media Right Productions

All video clips featured in this podcast are the property of their respective owners and are used under fair use for commentary, criticism, and analysis.

No copyright infringement is intended.
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How can you?

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It's all for you.

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Welcome to the Cinematic Flashback Podcast. Get ready to hump

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into the wayback machine as we journey through the wild, bold,

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and unforgettable films of the nineteen seventies. Each episode will

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break down a classic movie or forgotten jem by exploring

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the who's who of each film, diving into the premis

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and plot, seeing how it performed then and now, and

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wrapping things up with our final question, did it grew

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through the decades or lose its feet? Today we're heading

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to London by way of Rome, where politics, prophecy, and

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paranoia collide in Richard Donner's The Omen Hey In joining

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us tonight is Jeff Pinano. Jeff is a film school

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dropout who spent two years at the Virginia Commonwealth University

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go RAMS at their School of Arts during the launch

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of this filmmaking program. While he loved the coursework, he

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quickly realized he was more passionate about watching and analyzing

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cinema than creating it. He went on to build a

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creative career as a front end developer, much of it

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in advertising at an interactive agency Do It All. His

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love of movies, classic and contemporary has never wavered, and

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he's excited to bring that passion to us tonight in

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this conversation. Matt, you brought a good guy here.

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I did.

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He's officially more qualified than any of us. None of

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us have bios.

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Hi, nice to meet you, Thank you for having me.

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You recommended mcab and Missus Miller.

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I did.

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I did.

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I think we were talking some movies. He mentioned they

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had just watched something recently with Julie Christie, and I

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was like, Oh, if you like Julie Christy, you should

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have you seen macabe and Missus Miller. And so we

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had that kind of conversation. But I've heard that both

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of you had never seen it before, and I hear

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reports that you both really enjoyed it.

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I would say that mccayb and Missus Miller Chinatown and

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Don't Look Now are at the top of my list

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for favorite films that we've seen so far.

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Oh excellent, very nice.

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Yeah, that was a good recommendation. I think we actually

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got a pretty good response on that, and it was

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fun to see one that I literally hadn't even heard

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of it.

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But I think the next movie that came up was

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mash so we got a completely different Robert Altman that

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still had all the characteristics of a Robert Altman film,

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And that was cool to see some of that symmetry

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between the two films.

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Oh for sure. Just this unique use of dialogue and

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everyone overlapped. The words themselves aren't really the point. But yeah,

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that was LFA three. Only Through all of his movies

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up and through his last one, even the Popeye movie,

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you see that same style and naturalism, even though it's

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a fantastical world that they're creating.

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That's cool that you mentioned Popeye, because that a film

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that I do not believe I have ever seen from

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start to finish. Sure, when I see that it's directed

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by Robert Autman, that blows my mind in the same

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way that today's movie kind of blows my mind that

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it's done by Richard Donner. This is what puts him

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literally on the map. So I have two more questions

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for you, Jeff mm hm, What is it about seventy

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movies that appeals to you the most?

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What appeals to me the most about some of these movies?

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I think you could definitely see from the start of

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the decade through the end of the decade, the overall shift,

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and we're talking specifically American cinema. Yeah, and in the

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sixties you're getting probably like a lot of French new

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Wave that's influencing a lot of the up and coming

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directors of the seventies. So you can see, just like

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from very early on, an attitude shift and everything's getting

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a little gritty, a little real. I definitely think it

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is the evolution of the director as a tour of

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like they're starting to become more four in terms of

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recognition of like this piece of r is a direct

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result of a singular vision, and you definitely see that evolution.

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And then by the end of the seventies you start

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to see the origins of the blockbuster, you know, talking

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with Jaws. So I definitely have always enjoyed this era

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just for that transitionary feel.

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Was there ever a moment or a specific movie that

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made you realize, yeah, I love this era.

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I don't know if I have a specific moment, because

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I'm a child of the early eighties.

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My dad was stationed overseas and at the time he

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was able to procure a massive library of bootlegged vhs

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and we're talking super extended long play, so we're getting

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three movies on one VHS and it's just a big library.

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So these were all procured early eighties, so all the

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movies were definitely from the seventies. So that was my

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child hood library, just hours sitting in front of all

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of these vhs and just that was my discovery initially

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into cinema at the very formative years. You know, way

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too young. I'm seeing movies like Clockwork Orange, not being

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able to understand it, but knowing this is different talking

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to people. I've never have that first R rated movie.

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I just don't have one because they were I was

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always watching R rated movie right right growing up into

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my teenage years and then start even going in the

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film school. That's when I started to look at them

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in a more studious fashion.

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And so I was going to say, I'm one hundred

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percent vindicated at this point for inviting Jeff onto the podcast.

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All that had to be is the comic relief. Absolutely

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no work for me now. Anyway, that was a great

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observation Jeff, and I actually take that to heart because

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I grew up watching these movies through this time and

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I was too young to conceptual that, but I certainly

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noticed the change of the movies from when I was

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ten years old and the ones that I saw in

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like nineteen seventy nine, when I was in high school.

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In nineteen eighty when I graduated from high school. That

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was just a huge shift, you know, just a paradigm

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shift in.

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That today we're going to be talking about. Nineteen seventy

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six is the.

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Omen for generations. The Thorns have been a family of

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tremendous wealth, position, and power. The perfect marriage of Ambassador

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Robert Thorne and his wife Catherine was fulfilled by the

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birth of their son, Damien. And then when the child

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was five years old, something terrible happened. And then it

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happened again. Was it an accident? Was it murder? Was

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it a coincidence?

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Or was it an omen?

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Look at me, Damien, It's.

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All for you.

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Twentieth Century Fox presents a film of psychological suspense about

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an occurrence of earthshaking importance. Greg Leepeck Lee Remick is

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the omen.

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I was at the hospital, mister Thorn, a Knight, your

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son was born.

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I saw it's mother. So it's mother, fears God, diffuse,

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it's mother, mister Thornton, It's mother.

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What is it you're trying to say his mother was.

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This is not a human child.

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Make no stay.

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There are those who will die for him, There are

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those who will kill for him. Who is he? What

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does he want? Where did he come from? And can

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he be stopped? Where do we pay it? Blue? Remick

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the omen? If this is the truth? Where does it end?

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Matt? Did you see it back in the in the day.

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I did not. I'm not a horror film fan. I

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really do not care for them, so I did not

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seek it out. I saw it probably earlier than you guys,

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but it just wasn't my cup of tea. I did

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not enjoy this kind of movies.

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Jeff, how about you? Do you remember when you first

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saw it?

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I don't remember specifically when I first saw I'm sure

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I knew like the quotes It's all for you, Damien.

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I'm sure I've seen some of the scenes, but.

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I think it was on a VHS tape.

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We had at least three Omen movies on one VHS,

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so I know I've watched it on VHS. I've always

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loved horror movies. Probably my first one that I fell

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in love was Alien.

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See now I love Alien and Aliens, Okay, but I

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consider that to be not. I guess it's horror. I

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guess maybe it's snuck up on me because it's science

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fiction horror.

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The first one is definitely more horror than the second.

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It's a haunted house movie.

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Man, it is definitely a haunted house.

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Okay, Well, maybe I do like horror movies. I just

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don't like the omen you might.

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You might just not like certain ones because.

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I love alien and aliens. Maybe I'm a fan of

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jump scares because I definitely like jump scares.

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I remember a skit Saturday Night Live from.

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New York It's Saturday.

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Now where John Belushi was Damien and Buck Henry playing

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Robert Thorne.

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Wait a minute, you're.

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Telling me that if I find three sixes on the

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skin of that boy, that will prove he is the

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son of Satan himself. Yes, and what do I do?

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Then?

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It has a fight to the death between you and

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the Prince of Darkness. And remember he's all powerful and

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can summon of all evil forces of the world against you.

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You'll do anything to destroy the world. And you what

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weapons will I have at my disposal? You have to

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get a specially blessed knife from a specially blessed guy.

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I know, seize the fiend and drag him off to

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the altar of the church of your choice, Plunge the

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knife into his black heart, sever his limbs, pluck forth

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his kidneys and.

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Put them in your pockets.

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More on that later, and set his hair on fire.

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What fathering.

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But I think I understand what must be done.

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I warn you, I'm here to project the child, and I'll.

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Stop with nothing just a second.

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We must find out. Hey, it's all right, it's just

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three nights.

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Oh goodness, Oh that's funny.

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Have you ever heard of the term a script that

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is in turnaround?

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I have not.

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Yeah, it's going through rewrites, right.

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Yeah. It's when a studio has invested time in developing

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a script, but they're really not going anywhere with it,

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so in order to recoup money that they've invested, they'll

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put it in turnaround, which gives the opportunity for another

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studio to pick it up and run with it. This

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movie originally was a story idea from a guy named

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Bob Munger. Bob Munger was having lunch with the producer

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Harvey Bernard, and he said, I've got this idea. It's

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been brewing in my mind. But what if right now

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the Antichrist was in the world and he was just

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a little child, and Bernard was like, that's a great idea.

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He wrote some stories for it, and it became a script.

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It was at Warner Brothers going nowhere, and when Richard

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Donner got attached to it and it started to go

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and turn around, he was having dinner with Alan Ladd.

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Now Alan Ladd at the time was the president of

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twentieth century Fox. Ladd read the script approved it right

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away to go into production. What was funny is twentieth

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century Fox had already passed on this film, so nice.

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The Omen was released on June twenty fifth, nineteen seventy six.

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It had a budget of two point eight million dollars,

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and that actually included Gregory Peck's salary. The opening weekend,

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it did four point three million, and the gross for

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the film overall was sixty one million dollars. What's your

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favorite Richard Donner film?

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If it's not Superman or Lethal Weapon, it's probably Goonies, hm.

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But probably the one I've watched the most is Scrooged

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That's awesome.

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I think that one works more because of Bill Murray

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and not specifically Donner, but that's probably my favorite.

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I think you're right about that, And it takes a

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special kind of directory to let Bill Murray do Bill Murray,

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you know, keep them with a little bit because Scrooge

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dies a great I didn't just enjoy every year we

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watched that. You know, somehow you catch.

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It's a great one.

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It's a good rendition. I actually really liked the movie

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Lady Hawk, which I did not realize it was a

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Richard Dollar film, but it's one of my favorite films.

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It's a folk tale. I think it's done really well.

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It was certainly one of my favorites. Goonies actually learned

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to enjoy more later in life. Goonies was I thought

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silly when I was at that age where I wasn't

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young enough to be really enamored by it, and I

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wasn't yet old enough to understand why it was a gem.

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So when I saw it later life, it definitely was

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something I really enjoyed.

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There's like a donut hole where you are too old

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for it and not old enough for it, and that's

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where I that's where I first saw it, So it

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was funny because years and years later people were talking

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about the Goonies and they you know, had his memes

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and people talking about it and quoting different things, and

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I was always just like, what are you talking about?

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I'm like, okay it, But good pick with Lady Hawk,

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because yeah, classic.

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I disagree. I definitely got that from Chuck's reminder here

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in our notes that Richard Donner did Lady Hawk. If

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someone asked me who did Lady Hawk, I would not

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say Richard Donner. I would have said I don't know,

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but I really enjoyed it.

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If I was to recommend a film of Richard Donner

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to somebody who had never seen a Richard Donner flick before,

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it would be Lady Hawk. That was a good choice.

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Yeah, Rugger Howard Mitchell Flaifer top form in that. So

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they were definitely trying something new in this kind of

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high eighties fantasy movie. But it's still grounded with that

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Rugger Hower and Michelle Pfeifer love story, and yeah.

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So good.

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I became a really big fan of Rutger Hower after

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Blade Runner. That drove me to see some of his

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films with Paul Vorvin oh yeah, and yeah really good. Yeah, Okay,

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let's get back to the Omen. David Seltzer was the

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writer of the screenplay. He went away for three months

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to research the Book of Revelation, and he just makes

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a whole bunch of stuff up, like the whole poem.

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Sure is completely completely made up. Sounds real though, but

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from a dramatic standpoint, it works because you don't have

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to go through all the imagery that is in there.

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But other films that he did was the other OMEN films,

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Lucas and Bird on a Wire. We're going to take

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a pause here, but when we return, we'll talk about

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the man who made evil sound. Elegant composer Jerry Goldsmith,

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who score for the Omen won him his only Oscar.

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And then finally, the last of the filmmakers that I

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want to talk about is Jerry Goldsmith. The OMEN was

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his only Academy Award after being nominated eleven times. He

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didn't even want to go to the Academy Awards because

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he didn't think he was gonna win at all, and

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he just couldn't bear it. I gotta ask. I know

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Matt's answer, but Jeff, are you a film score buff?

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I am One of my notes from rewatching the Omen

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last night is that Jerry Goldsmith is doing cartwheels to

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pull off a lot of what this movie is trying

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to do, like it is doing a lot of heavy lifting,

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a lot of heavy lifting. And then after I was like, oh,

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he did. He won the Academy Award for this, But.

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Was it effective? I don't think so.

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When the dog is walking by there at the end,

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you hear the choir going.

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Yeah, yeah. But every once in a while, in an

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exciting part, he had twinkling key boards and I was like,

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and it was so funny because I was watching it

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with the subtitles on, and it would go dramatic moves music,

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and then you'd hear this ding ding ding ding ding.

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I'm like, this is not dramatic. This is certainly setting

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the stage. But I found it disconcerting at sometimes like

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I did not get it. I did not understand it,

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and I'm shocked that he won an Academy Award for it.

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I think it was a you've been here eleven times

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a week.

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I definitely took note of it, like from the very outset,

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because I think in terms of establishing Gregory Peck and

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Lee Remick as this loving couple and family like it

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was all communicated through that soundtrack.

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It had to be communicated some way because it looked

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like she was married to her grandfather.

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It's true. So like any semblance of like these people

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being a family unit came from that soundtrack, because I

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don't think there was anything else in the movie to

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really support that. Jerry Goldsmith went on to do Poltergeist,

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which is also another family in horror situation where you

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could see the embers of that starting here and trying

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to do that, but you could see it actually taking

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shape and being effective. There's definitely like something here in

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the score that does a lot of the heavy lifting

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that might not be supported by the rest of the parts.

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But I would say he probably did deserve the award.

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I'll definitely give you that.

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This score actually is on my top five Jerry Goldsmith scores.

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Maybe it's my overall distaste for this movie that is

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coloring my opinion that I just maybe people had to

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work too hard and it was because of Gregory Peck.

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I love Gregory Peck, that he was the absolute wrong

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person to have as the husband. They needed a young husband,

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a young naive husband, not an old crime guy who

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would kill his baby without a second thought, right, I mean,

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because he's playing a guy who's like, oh, I'm all

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bit broken up about killing my baby. I'm like, I

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don't buy it. You're headed home with the knives right now.

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I just didn't buy it. I just drove me crazy

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because I'm sure they paid a ton of money for him,

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and he's supposed to be this state elder statesman, but

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really his position as being the ambassador meant nothing to

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this movie. He could have been a mid level state

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department person who got transferred to London as well. Right,

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there was no part of this that depended on him

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being in this powerful position.

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Well, first of all, I'm going to take the other

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side of that opinion, and that's okay. But getting Gregory

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Peck on this film absolutely validated this film as a

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motion picture. Stars just did not come out and do

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horror movies. What big actor is in Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

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You can't name a big actor in there because they

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would never play in that. I mean, I don't even

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think it's until like the even as we move into

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movies like Halloween, you don't ever get big actors in

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there until much later in more modern times. So was

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there an age differential between him and Lee Remick? Yes,

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and being the ambassador, I mean that was kind of

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the whole point, right, was that Damien was going to

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come up through the political system and that was how

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he was going to take world power, et cetera, et cetera.

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What did you think, Jeff oh about him being the ambassador?

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Oh, just Gregory Peck in this movie in general.

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Sure, I don't think it hinges on it being Gregory Peck.

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I feel like if it was a different actor it

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could have been just as well executed. I've always enjoyed

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Gregory Peck, But yeah, like the age difference between him

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and his wife, it stands out today for sure.

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I didn't buy them as a loving family like it

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never The movie itself never convinced me.

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They didn't invest in that at all.

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No, not at all. Uh.

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In fact, I almost like Lee Remick in this film

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the best of all, because she went through so much

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in this film, This poor lady, she got put through

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the ringer.

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Yeah, here's a scene they're moving into the ambassador's house

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that she picked out right, and Damien's outside on the

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porch with the not dead yet, Nanny. They draw the

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shades and he suggests they go upstairs, and she's like,

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there's no furniture up there either, and then they have

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what would be a passionate kiss with their mouth closed.

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It's just ridiculous. It was so stupid, you know. It

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was like, I just don't I was like.

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Hmm, we're getting ready to cut a guy's head off.

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We're already dealing with the censors. We're going to try

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to keep a lot of stuff.

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That was the best scene in the movie, the glass scene.

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I can't wait to talk about that thing.

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She was actually watching that at lunch today because I

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didn't finish the movie, so I was out there at

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lunch and Jeff might have seen me because that scene happened.

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I was like, oh my god, look that's amazing.

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Did you hear how they filmed the baboon scene.

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No, but it was that was actually a pretty decent

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That was pretty cool.

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Okay, So the first idea was that they weren't going

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to feed the baboons in the morning and then put

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bananas on the car, and then that would cause him

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to come in and grab the bananas and attack the

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car and all that. Well, that didn't work. They just

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grabbed the bananas and ran away. So then the vent

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came out and said, hey, look we have this alpha

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baboon who has been cut and we have to take

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him out and anesthetize him. And so up is his cut.

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If you put him in the back of this car

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and they see that he's in this car, they're going

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to go ape crazy. And they did. And so this

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this baboon is in the back of the car. He's sedated,

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and then all of a sudden he starts to come

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through and Richard Donner's back there with his camera. The

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baboon is starting to grab Lee remix hair for real,

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and she's screaming and he's going, no, Lee, not yet,

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not yet. And then finally, you know, like he's like, drive,

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get out of here, Get out of here, you know.

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And she went through a lot in this film.

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Yeah, she was cool in this movie. She really carried

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the horror part of this movie in my opinion of

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the conflicted person. And I guess it was one of

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those financial things I could afford to pay a fading

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star and they thought that would boost it up. But

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I'll be honest with you, he doesn't bring a lot

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to it, in my opinion, he just doesn't a young

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man passionately in love with his wife, devastated that they

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lost their child. He was kind of like, let me

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see what can I do. I can make a switcher

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row with a kid. You don't do that. It's like

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you go in broken hearted, say your kid died.

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I will concede that in this film, you have to

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get past that first lie, right, because I don't think

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I could ever tell that light of my wife. So

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let's move on to who I consider the good actors

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in this film, and I have to start with David Warner.

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Yeah, right.

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Every time he shows up in a movie, I feel

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like you're gonna have a good time. I mean, he's

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one usually a villain, which he isn't quite a villain

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in this one. But when he does play a villain

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in a movie, it's always top for him. It's always entertaining.

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You know.

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I'm thinking of things like Tron or Evil Genius from

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Time Bandits Thank You.

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Yeah, Jack the Ripper from Time after Time, Time after Time,

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Jack the Ripper, Right, that's an awesome film.

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Opposite of Malcolm McDowell, Yes, but his best turn as

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a villain is as a Cardassian torturing John lu with

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the lights in Next Generation YEA four three. But then

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he did a number of Trek roles. Actually, I think

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he was in Star Trek five as a human at St. John. Yeah,

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and then uh counselor Gorkin in Undiscovery Country Star Trek six,

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which is probably my favorite of the Star Trek movies.

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You're just ensconcing yourself into this podcast because we always

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have a Star Trek callback. He was a great actor

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in this film. He did a good job because he

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was sort of just there. He's playing that soft role

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of the photographer. He's taking the pictures and you really

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kind of like, who is this guy? Is he bad?

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Is he good? It was He's very intriguing, so it

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was great to watch him through the film.

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Yeah, they're always unsure about him because he is kind

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of like that voyeur with the camera. So, but he

472
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.279
is kind of what puts a Gregory Peck on the

473
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.039
path of questioning.

474
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.119
You see when he develops the photographs and he's seeing

475
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.160
all the different ways in which people are going to die,

476
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.079
and that kind of leads me over to Father Brennan,

477
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:07.079
played by Patrick Troughton, who also played doctor who I

478
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.599
thought he played a good crack pot guy. He had

479
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:11.480
gotten maybe a little too far gone.

480
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.039
Maybe he was definitely not the approach you want to

481
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.240
take when trying to convince someone of something.

482
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:17.839
Mm hmm.

483
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:20.400
He came off very strong right out the gate.

484
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.759
I'm one hundred percent intrigued that he was in Jason

485
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.119
and the Argaux, which is one of my favorite movies

486
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.119
of all time. Yeah, it's a great one. It's amazing

487
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.440
when when when the skeletons come up out of the ground. Yeah,

488
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.920
that God, that's the best I remember that. So.

489
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:39.880
Father Brennan also got the point as well in his demise.

490
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.480
His might be my favorite in this one more than

491
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.200
David Warner's. Yeah, yeah, because I think visually it's more striking.

492
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:48.279
This is a part where I'm trying to think like

493
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.519
Matt right, and I'm going just step two feet to

494
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.039
the left. Okay, the road come on, move move right.

495
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.079
There is a pacing issue as he stares at the

496
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.240
spire falling down upon him.

497
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.200
Better if he dodged and then and dodged into it.

498
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.519
What did y'all think of Billy Whitelaw as Missus Baylock.

499
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:13.200
She was amazing, great, like just exuded evil. From the

500
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.559
first minute when she's being super sweet and nice, you

501
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.720
know you still were like the alarms are going off.

502
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.960
She was how you approach someone to ingratiate yourself into

503
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.759
their life. She was the exact opposite of Father Brendon.

504
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:28.519
She was great.

505
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.200
The thing that really scared me about her was she

506
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.880
was so acquiescing in some ways but also clearly had

507
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.880
her own agenda, Like you could see right away that

508
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.519
I want to meet with the boy alone. Oh, I

509
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.039
know you told us to get rid of this dog,

510
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:43.480
but we still got this dog in here.

511
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.440
Why would you take him to church? He's just gonna misbehave.

512
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.839
Why are you gonna sprinkle him with holy water? He's

513
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.240
just gonna burn. But I will point out this is

514
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.440
a great scene with Lee Remick basically being like, no,

515
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.319
you'll have him ready in five minutes. I mean, it

516
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.480
was pretty cool because you see stand up and almost

517
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.559
anybody else would probably have crumbled because that lady was

518
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:09.160
really pushing hard and she basically said no way. And

519
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.119
of course she ended up getting scratched up and beat

520
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.440
up by the kid, But she was great in that scene.

521
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.440
I'm telling you, Lee Remick went through the ringer on

522
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.240
this one, he did. Do you know who else went

523
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:21.279
through the ringer? In casting Harvey Stevens as Damien Richard

524
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.559
Donner during his casting Richard you know, you know, working

525
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:26.720
with him, he says, Okay, I want you to now

526
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.119
attack me, because he's rehearsing that scene and he says,

527
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.000
I just want you to come at me as hard

528
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.880
as you can, and little Harvey Stevens just runs up

529
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.240
to him and punches him right square in the balls.

530
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:43.480
Bent over, Richard Donner says, put black shoe polish in

531
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:48.519
his hair. He's our guy. And the last scene of

532
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.359
the film, Donner is just saying, Okay, I want you

533
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.440
to look back over and I want you to look angry.

534
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.200
And then Richard Donner, as he's looking angry at him,

535
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:59.839
Richard Donner says something funny and you get that little

536
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.079
smile at the end, and then we fade the black.

537
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.680
I'm afraid it would kill her. Gosh, she wanted a

538
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.599
baby so much for such a long time.

539
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.119
What can I tell her?

540
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:23.240
What what I say? You could adopt her child, she

541
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:24.359
wanted her own.

542
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.319
You sort of have to embrace this idea that somebody

543
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:32.839
would actually replace their dead child without telling their wife.

544
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.599
Yeah, it's obviously before the time of switched baby syndrome

545
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.440
where people switched babies in hospitals, but you could use

546
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.880
it in film as a technique to do essentially what

547
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.720
we're doing here with a husband being blameless. What you

548
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.720
would have done is had an accidental swapping and then

549
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.400
later he learns the truth and doesn't tell his wife.

550
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.039
That's much more believable to me, because you've already fallen

551
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.720
in love with the child. It's your child. You couldn't

552
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.039
imagine switching back or giving it away, and there is

553
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.200
nobody to give it away too. Much more effective technique.

554
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.720
But the idea of the guy going hmm, yes, let's

555
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.400
do the switcher on the wife with some woman he's

556
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.279
never seen, some parentage he has no idea of. I

557
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:14.799
don't buy it.

558
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.440
We talked a lot about scenes in the film already.

559
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.200
Were there other scenes that really stood out to you, Jeff?

560
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.599
The scenes of saying that out to me probably are

561
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.720
the nanny scene that the birthday party, I believe. Yeah,

562
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.440
her quote it's all for you, Damien, I think is

563
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.359
culturally or like permanently ingrained in my head where I'm

564
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.400
probably quoting that constantly, or any time I'm say I'm

565
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:43.359
doing anything for anyone, is that's probably what I'm thinking.

566
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:49.839
It's sorry to interrup Jeff, but this is so funny

567
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.960
because I have used that many times. It's not in

568
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.039
my normal lexicon, and I honestly did not realize. I

569
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.559
knew it came from the Omen, but you really remember

570
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.119
the scene it came from. So it'shilarious to me that

571
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.039
you think that way, because I was going to pick

572
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.799
that one too. It was really well done in terms

573
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.599
of the shocking effect. But it was amazing how you know,

574
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.720
like the whole drop and then it broke all the

575
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.480
glass behind and they had a camera back there. Yeah,

576
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.079
it was really well done. Yeah.

577
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.319
I think the window it's like you see it coming,

578
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.440
but then the window itself kind of even is another.

579
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.200
That's great and it's so exactly what would happen.

580
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.880
The other scene that I think of is when he's

581
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.720
cutting his hair, because I think that scene is just

582
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.880
well shot and lit very effectively because you have like

583
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.279
a fireplace in the background, and you have like this

584
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.799
real long deep focus from close up of Damien the

585
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.079
sleep to mid ground of Gregory Peck standing there and

586
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.319
and all the while, you know, the key light is

587
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.200
flickering on all of them, which you know wouldn't be

588
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:50.000
natural lighting.

589
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.920
Right, that was pretty amazing.

590
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.039
I just kept waiting for Missus Baylock to show up

591
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.119
because she was like staying in that little room.

592
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.000
Well you knew she was going to show up, right.

593
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.599
There's a couple of scenes that stood out for me.

594
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.480
The first one has to be lee Remick's fall. The

595
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.759
amount of tension that they set up with Damien on

596
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.880
his tricycle and Missus Thorn is trying to change some

597
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.640
stuff on the flower pot and she puts the goldfish

598
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.079
bowl on the rail and then Missus Baylik opens the

599
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:23.279
door and the kid goes tearing off down towards his mom,

600
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.920
hits her and then the fishbowl drops like not completely

601
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.240
slow motion, but it wasn't real time, so I mean,

602
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.359
you see the depth, you see the splatter, you get

603
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.279
a sense of the height. And then she falls and

604
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.119
they have this interesting shot of her falling all the

605
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.400
way down and slamming onto the floor. And I found

606
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:43.359
out how that was done.

607
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:44.359
Oh excellent.

608
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.519
So for the fall, they redressed the set where they

609
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.400
put the floor on the wall, had her stand on

610
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.240
a dolly they painted some sardines gold and then they

611
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.160
rolled her down and then twisted and then they had

612
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.799
a quick cut on it. Because when I first saw it,

613
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.359
I'm thinking, you can't see the wires. You know, she's

614
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.079
really good. How did they do that? That's great, you know.

615
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.359
But then I heard something from Richard Donner and he

616
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.119
was explaining how they did it, and I was, you know,

617
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.200
it was even easier than wires. Just put someone on

618
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:18.880
a dolly and.

619
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.599
Move them sideways. I love those stories of those practical

620
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.400
effects and how they got things to do. I just

621
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.759
think that's so cool. I just learned something, and I

622
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.599
think it's neat. Love that stuff.

623
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.319
The other scene that I liked was the scene in

624
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.920
the graveyard where they had all of the different rottweilers.

625
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.240
They were originally supposed to be German shepherds, but they

626
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.440
would have to be quarantined for way too long, so

627
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.000
they got these rottweilers that were readily available. The big

628
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:48.400
reveal of Damien's heritage and the fate of Thorn's original

629
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:52.519
son is revealed, and then the dogs are attacking them,

630
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.119
but actually what they were doing is they were in

631
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.559
heat and some of them were humping and they they

632
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.799
just put all these dog noises and stuff in there.

633
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:04.400
Too bad some of that didn't rub off on Gregory Peck.

634
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.480
It wouldn't have turned in such a stiff performance.

635
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.239
I'm just gonna leave that one right there. There's an

636
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.239
obvious joke. I'm not doing it. This is a this

637
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.440
is a PG rated podcast. The last one that I

638
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.360
thought was eat was David Warner's death. What happens when

639
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.639
people go to watch a film and something scary comes up.

640
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.000
They put their hands over their eyes, right, and it's

641
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:30.480
usually one, two, three and it's done. Richard decided he

642
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.880
was gonna hold it to four so that when people

643
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.639
go want and the head's still spinning it.

644
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.840
That was great. It was actually that was really well done. Honestly,

645
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.199
I don't remember that scene either. So when I watched

646
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.960
it today in the lit room, I was like, oh

647
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.320
my god, he's gonna get crushed by the truck, right,

648
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:51.280
I was like, You're gonna get crushed by the truck,

649
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.159
and in the glass starts going. I'm like, oh my goodness,

650
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.719
this is not gonna go well.

651
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.639
I remembered Brennan's death, I remembered the name A's death.

652
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.880
I remembered what happened to missus Thorn. I did not

653
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.039
know what happened to Jennings. In fact, I even forgot

654
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.079
that David Warner was even in this film. So I

655
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.280
was super happy and I was shocked when that happened.

656
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.039
I was like, oh my gosh, that's awesome.

657
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.840
I'm thinking back and I think I must have seen

658
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.960
this movie in snippets. I haven't seen it all clearly,

659
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.599
because in watching it, I was like, I don't remember that.

660
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.840
As you know, and I said before, not a huge

661
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.719
horror movie fan, certainly, not a big sort of a

662
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.360
cult horror movie fan. I think maybe that's what it is.

663
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.960
Because I definitely loved Alien Predator. That's not really a

664
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.480
horror film, but you know what I mean.

665
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.039
No, I would say The Predator is definitely a horror film.

666
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.519
But you know, like, for instance, I liked what is

667
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.800
it Cloverfield one of my favorite horror films, right, I mean,

668
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.880
I just loved that movie. I just thought it was

669
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.519
done so well. It's great.

670
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.360
You need to watch the sequel to Cloverfield with John

671
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:57.039
Goodman in it.

672
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.719
Oh yeah, I've seen that. It's very loosely sequel. That's good.

673
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.880
It is. It's leveraging some clover Field stuff. But it's

674
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.119
a that's a good movie too. It's and that is

675
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.760
another movie where it's like people are like, what's going on?

676
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.960
Is it got really bad? Is he not bad? What's

677
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.400
going on? So good movie.

678
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.000
We've covered a lot of heads rolling and bab boons screaming.

679
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.079
But how does the omen hold up among the decades? Great,

680
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.519
we'll talk about that when we returned from this message.

681
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.760
Was this the best horror movie of the seventies for me?

682
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:33.440
Yeah?

683
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:37.119
Probably Alien? Okay, personally, that one's hard to beat in

684
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.800
terms of like horror seventies. Well, if I have to

685
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.599
think of others, I mean, the obvious contender is probably

686
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:45.320
The Exorcist.

687
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.880
Yeah, yeah, that's certainly up there.

688
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.599
But I'm also a big fan of like the Dario

689
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.880
Argento Jallo Italian Suspiria. I think that's up there.

690
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:58.440
Suspiria is actually one I want to cover. I know

691
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.280
it's not a US film, right, I would love to

692
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.320
start doing a kind of an episode of like midnight

693
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.000
movie style films and stuff like that.

694
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:08.880
Yeah, let's do it. That'd be fun.

695
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.280
I mean, I'm also love what's it a Donna the Dead?

696
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.639
That's one of my favorites because my ex brother in

697
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.079
law just loved that movie and it was one of

698
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:21.119
those things that I was. I watched the movie and

699
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.719
I kind of I think it's okay, and he pointed

700
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.400
out all the crazy, you know, like they always go

701
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.039
back to the mall. It was pointing out all that

702
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.159
stuff about, you know, the mall culture, because remember then,

703
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.840
we grew up with that consumerism. In high school. We

704
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.760
would skip school to go to the video arcade and

705
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.800
the mall and Orange Julius was right next door.

706
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:46.000
And well, gentlemen, I think we have maybe other horror

707
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.800
films that might be better than this one. But I'm

708
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.159
gonna have to say it put Richard Donner on the map.

709
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.199
It made him a household name, It made him the director.

710
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.440
Before this, he was not very well known, and after

711
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.199
this he went on to do Superman and all of

712
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these films that we talked about for him, So I

713
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guess that makes it kind of cool.

714
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.519
I agree, Oh, definitely.

715
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Was there anything else we wanted to talk about it?

716
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.679
We want to go ahead and get into the big question.

717
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.119
I think we covered everything, all right, Let's ask.

718
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:22.199
The question, did it groups of the decades or did

719
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.920
it lose it speak Jeff, you're our guest. We'll let

720
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:25.880
you go first.

721
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.159
I would say rewatching it, I feel like it held

722
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:33.960
up better than I remembered. It definitely still looks amazing

723
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.119
like that. It's well shot, it's beautifully lit. I think

724
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.400
the score itself might even may disagree with me, but

725
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.960
I feel like it is doing a lot of the

726
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.840
heavy lifting in both the romantic non story that is

727
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.159
actually there, because I think it's all just the soundtrack

728
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.639
to try to build that up. But it's not my

729
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.760
personal favorite, but it definitely was better than I remembered

730
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.239
in my head. Part of that was definitely seeing David Warner,

731
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.639
him being one of my favorite actors and enjoying watching

732
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.360
him in this. So yeah, it definitely held up better

733
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:13.840
than memory, Matt.

734
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.760
So it just came to realization. You know how people

735
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.440
that are color blind, you can live their life and

736
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.440
they go out in the world and they can handle everything,

737
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.519
you know, but they just don't see a lot of colors.

738
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.559
When I watch a movie, I don't hear a lot

739
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:33.159
of music. The sound score is just sort of there

740
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.840
for me. Right, it really has to hit me over

741
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.920
with a with a sledgehammer to make an impression, and

742
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.440
you know, maybe it's a music blind or something like that,

743
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.719
because in Chuck will tell you this on all of

744
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.800
these things, he's always like, oh is this then the

745
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.880
school and this guy did the score, And I'm like, really,

746
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.480
there was music. I barely heard it. And maybe that's

747
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.039
part of it, because without that soundtrack, which you pointed out, Jeff,

748
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.719
without that soundtrack to back up that relationship, it was

749
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.159
flat as a paincake. And I just did not believe them,

750
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.039
and I didn't care about them, And that's the problem

751
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.719
for me. Without them caring about zero chemistry, I didn't

752
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.159
believe they cared about the kid. He certainly didn't care

753
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.559
about the kid because his kid, his actual kid, was

754
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.599
dead and he didn't shed a single tear right even

755
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:23.559
when he thought it was just a stillborn kid. And

756
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.800
later he finds out. The only time he really cries

757
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:27.719
is he finds out and they murdered his kid, or

758
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.079
he assumes they murdered the kid. So I would say

759
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.440
I would agree with Jeff. It was much better than

760
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:38.760
I remembered, but it still didn't really do it for me.

761
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:42.280
So I don't know how you how you rate that

762
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.639
if it grew through the decades or not. It's certainly

763
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.079
better than I remembered, but less good than a lot

764
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:50.920
of movies I've seen. That's fair.

765
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.360
I would probably put this down underneath a groove category

766
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.519
if anything, because of Richard Donner. I thought the cast

767
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.440
was really great, the film I think looks gorgeous. Jerry

768
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:07.360
Goldsmith's score was amazing. I'm sorry you didn't hear the

769
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:11.039
entire Black Mass in Latin, but I thought it was

770
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:15.480
really good. I thought that if you didn't nail Damien,

771
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.000
you didn't really have a movie. And I thought that

772
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.000
Harvey Stevens did a fantastic job as a child actor

773
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.320
who who all he had to do was look sweet

774
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.039
and evil at the same time. I mean, that's no

775
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.000
short order. So at the very end, as you realized

776
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:36.480
that Damien is now being adopted by the President of

777
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.079
the United States and he is now moving up that

778
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.639
next level from an ambassador's son to the president's son,

779
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.119
I'm just asking in my mind what's next for me?

780
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.679
That left me wanting more at the end of the film.

781
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.159
So not the greatest horror film, but definitely better than

782
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:55.920
what I thought it was going to be. So yeah,

783
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:56.440
I liked it.

784
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.719
I thought it grouved. I don't disagree, and I don't disagree.

785
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.360
Well, Jeff, thank you so much for coming.

786
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.559
On, Thanks for having me. It's been a blest.

787
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.360
Matt as always, thank you for joining me, and thank

788
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.599
you listener for joining us today. Have you seen the

789
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.639
omen we'd love to hear your take on it. Did

790
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.199
it still send a chill down your spine or has

791
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.960
time softened its bite. You can reach us at our website,

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