July 1, 2026

Westworld (1973): The Sci-Fi Classic That Inspired The Terminator and Jurassic Park (Encore)

Westworld (1973): The Sci-Fi Classic That Inspired The Terminator and Jurassic Park (Encore)
Westworld (1973): The Sci-Fi Classic That Inspired The Terminator and Jurassic Park (Encore)
Cinematic Flashback Podcast
Westworld (1973): The Sci-Fi Classic That Inspired The Terminator and Jurassic Park (Encore)

Before Jurassic Park, Michael Crichton imagined a very different kind of theme park disaster. This week on Cinematic Flashback, Chuck Bryan welcomes special guest Jeff Johnson from A Film By Podcast to revisit Westworld (1973), the groundbreaking...

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Season 2

Before Jurassic Park, Michael Crichton imagined a very different kind of theme park disaster.

This week on Cinematic Flashback, Chuck Bryan welcomes special guest Jeff Johnson from A Film By Podcast to revisit Westworld (1973), the groundbreaking science fiction thriller that introduced audiences to Delos—a futuristic resort where guests can live out their Wild West fantasies alongside lifelike robots... until everything goes terribly wrong.

Together, Chuck and Jeff discuss Michael Crichton's directorial debut, Yul Brynner's unforgettable performance as the Gunslinger, the film's pioneering use of computer-generated imagery, and the practical effects that still hold up more than fifty years later. They also explore Westworld's surprising influence on films like Halloween, The Terminator, and Jurassic Park, while comparing the original movie to HBO's acclaimed television series.

Does Westworld still groove through the decades, or has time caught up with it? Saddle up and join us as we ride back to one of the most influential science fiction films of the 1970s. If you enjoy the show, please subscribe, leave us a review, and let us know which Delos destination you'd choose: Westworld, Medieval World, or Roman World?

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You're listening to an encore presentation of the Cinematic Flashback Podcast.

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Can you sir now?

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My name is Arthur Kine. I've been in the castle,

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I've had a couple of sword fights and three jousts.

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And I I married a beautiful princess.

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Is that something you always dreamed of doing? Sarah? Oh,

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my life. Well, there are some of the comments of

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the people who just returned from Dallas. Why don't you

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make arrangements to take our hovercraft to Medieval World, Roman

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World and West World? Was it worth one thousand dollars

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a day? Contact us today or see your travel agent

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by Have we got a vacation for you?

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Welcome to the Cinematic Flashback Podcast. Get ready to hop

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into the wayback machine as we journey through the wild, bold,

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and unforgettable things of the nineteen seventies. Each episode, we'll

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break down a classic movie or forgotten Jim by exploring

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the who's who of each film, diving into the premis

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and plot, see how would perform then and now, and

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wrap things up with did a groof of the decades

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or lose its beat? This week, Matt is often enjoying

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a vacation at one of the luxurious Dellos resorts. But

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never fear, because tonight we have Jeff Johnson from a

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film by podcast taking a hold of the reins and

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helping us get to our destination, nineteen seventy three's Westworld. Jeff,

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thanks for joining us tonight.

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Hey, I am excited to be here.

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I can tell you right now, Matt is going to

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have a fantastic time. I just got back and chuck.

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It's like it's like when you used to play as

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a kid, only it's real. I shot six people. Well

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they weren't real people, Okay.

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I just could not I don't know. I just couldn't

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afford the per night rate of one thousand dollars. I mean, man,

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that was going to take a long time to be

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able to get that kind of scratch.

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Think about this in today's money, that's like three grand,

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you know.

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Wow? Oh man, Well, we are talking about nineteen seventy

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three's science fiction thriller Westworld. But before we go ahead

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and jump into it, let's hear a clip from the

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original trailer.

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MGM presents west World.

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Your attention please, we will soon be landing at Westworld,

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the Ultimate Resort.

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We have you on grid five over.

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It consists of three worlds of the past, locking in

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now worlds where you can live out your every fantasy.

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There's Roman World, the lusty, decadent delights of Imperial Pompeii

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Not Toby ground Crews, Medieval World chivalry and back in

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thirteenth century Europe, and Westworld lawless violence on the American

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frontier of the eighteen eighties. Each resort is maintained by

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reliable computer technology and peopled by lifelike robot men and women.

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Our technology is designed to provide all this in complete safety.

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In Westworld, frustrations find release, desire, ends and satisfaction, and

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all in a controlled environment.

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That's not supposed to happen.

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We know you'll enjoy your stay in Westworld all the

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ultimate resort. This time we're nothing. Nothing can possibly go wrong,

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go wrong, raw, go wrong, my God, shutdown, shutdown immediately.

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Westworld from MGM Starry You Brinner, Richard Benjamin and James Broland.

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Westworld The Ultimate Resort. Boy, Do we have a vacation

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for you? For you or you for your World WARLD.

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World War War.

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West World was released November twenty first, nineteen seventy three.

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Written and also directed by first time director Michael Crichton.

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It was produced by MGM for one point two million,

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but it eventually made sixteen million after its nineteen seventy

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six re release, prior to its sequel, Future World, and

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by the way, West World was MGM's biggest box office

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hit that year, which was not bad for a low

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budget sci fi film from a first time director. It

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also spawned not just one television series, but two television series.

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So I'm going to guess you're familiar with the incredibly

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excellent twenty sixteen HBO version of Westworld, but there was

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also a nineteen eighties version called Beyond west World? Did

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you ever see Beyond west World?

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I have to be honest with you. I thought this

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was a situation where I had seen everything in the universe,

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never had heard of Beyond west World until I did

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a little homework here, and based on what I read,

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I can kind of understand why I never saw it.

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Did you ever watch the sequel Future World?

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Yes, nineteen seventy six, you know, Chuck, You know on

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our show. We even did a limited series on seventy six,

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and we didn't get to cover it, unfortunately, because there's

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only so much time to hit the big ones.

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But you know, I know Future World.

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Wasn't as well received, but it's still got a place

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in my heart.

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I dug it growing up in that timeframe, you know,

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call it a limited series, to steal from you a

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little bit, this might be from the science fiction films

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of the seventies. That's not Star Wars or Close Encounters

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of the third kind. West World I thought was as

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when I was little. I thought it was really great.

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There's a lot of it though that honestly, it went

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over my head completely as a kid, So it was

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fun kind of coming back and watching it again.

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Definitely.

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It's one of those where you watch this as a

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kid and you're fascinated because there's cowboys, there's robots, there's gunfights.

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You watch it as an adult and there's so much

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subtext going on, yes.

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That you yeah, you can't. You just can't pick that

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up as a kid.

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What I actually really appreciated more about watching it this

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time was I am now more familiar with the actors

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who are in the film yep. So for example, I

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don't even know if at the time I knew who

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Yul Brynner was let alone. I mean, I think, if anything,

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I would have known him from The King and I

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because that would be a musical that my mom would

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have watched. But it was years later after this one

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that I saw The Magnificent Seven and I'm sitting there

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looking at him, going, I've seen this guy before in

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another film. Not this guy, the actor, this character another

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film before.

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Is Is it too really to discuss his wardrobe, because

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I know, go right ahead, Chuck. I absolutely love that

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he is dressed exactly as his character Chris in The

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Magnificent Seven.

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I mean right down to the way he wears his

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gun belt.

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It's perfect, the hat.

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Everything, It's a nice little nood.

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Going back and watching it and kind of for that

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first time really starting to pull that together and seeing

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that and kind of going, Okay, this is one of

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the things that I was saying when I was little,

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that it went way over my head. I had no

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idea about that relationship between the two. But just see

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it today and absolutely, you know you see Chris right away.

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Brenner's filmography is mixed, uh as far as my viewing,

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So I saw Westworld the first time I saw it,

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I recognized ramses from the Ten Commandments, and I had

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not seen The Magnificent Seven. So when I saw The

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Magnificent Seven years later, I was like, Wow, that's that's

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kind of cool. He's like, he looks just like he

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did in Westworld, you know. But then, you know, and

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as a kid, like my brain didn't figure out like, wait,

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Magnificent Seven was before Westworld.

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So mm hmm.

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But I absolutely love I love it. I love uh,

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I love the homage.

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Unfortunately, at this time, I think you Brenner was struggling

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financially when he when he took the role.

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Yeah, do we have a minute to talk about that?

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Yeah, so let's let's just talk about what he's making

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on this movie. So his salary is seventy five thousand dollars,

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and I know that sounds like a lot in nineteen

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seventy three, but that was pretty low.

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For a star of his stature.

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I mean, you know, like you said, you mentioned the

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King and I, the Ten Commandments, the Magnificent Seven, Anastasia.

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He kind of he pretty much got low balled because.

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The same year, nineteen seventy three, Robert Redford and Paul

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Newman are doing the Sting and they each got five

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hundred thousand plus points, and you know, I feel bad,

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you know, looking at someone as great as Juel Brenner,

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because he was in financial ruin at this point. He

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had to take the offer because he needed He was like,

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it's like a fire sale, you know, He's got to

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do whatever he can. He's one of these guys that

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had dual citizenship in Russia, Switzerland, United States and he

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lost everything due to tax penalties from the IRS because

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his tax exemption status while taking up residents in Switzerland

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ran out. You know, he was an American working abroad.

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It got revoked, and this ruins him financially.

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What about Rick? I sure Benjamin is Peter Martin.

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So I know Benjamin better as an eighties director because

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he he directs one of my favorite films from nineteen

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eighty six, talk about the Money Pit. The money Pit

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he did he did by Stepmother's An Alien in nineteen

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eighty eight. So I know him as a director. I

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don't know him as an actor. You know, even looking

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back into his filmography, I was like, yeah, I just

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haven't seen a.

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Lot of this guy's work.

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As far as his performance, I think he does great

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as Peter Martin because to be to be fair, I'm

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annoyed by him. You know, he's not he's not buying

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into the fun of the park when he first gets there.

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He's kind of a soft character and it's gonna be

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the you know, like his trial by fire going up

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against the gun slinger.

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That makes him the hero, you.

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Know, because you're watching this and it's like he's the sidekick,

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he's the he's not gonna make it to the end

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of this movie. And it's kind of a shock the

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first time you see.

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This that he is the hero of the story.

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I know Benjamin more as a director as well, but

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he has a soft spot in my heart for a

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role he played in a TV series from the late

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seventies or early eighties called Quark.

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Yeah you had this? You had this?

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B I was like, wait, what is this? And I

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did respond. I wouldn't be rude when I did respond,

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I was just like, what, No, I'm not missing I'm

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not catching the.

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Joke, and I don't want to look like I'm not cool,

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So tell me about this character.

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Richard Benjamin played the titular character Quark, and he was

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the intergalactic garbage man and the model of the picture

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that I sent you was the model of their ship

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that was in the in the TV show. And if

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they made more than three or four episodes of that

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show before it was you know, canned and gone out,

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I don't. I don't know, but that for me was

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like the first time that I remember the name of

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Richard Benjamin. And then the next time it came back

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up was later on when I started seeing him in

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the eighties as a as a film director. But I

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have to agree with you, and I even even today,

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having not seen Westworld in a long time, I thought

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that James Brolin's John was going to be the main character.

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And what's really interesting was that he was a relative

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newcomer at this time, having mostly appeared in shows like

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you know, Marcus Welby m D on TV. This is

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early Brolind.

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he's not the movie star that we we know him as.

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And and he just.

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Has that that hero look. He's got that that that

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lantern jawl. You know, he's the broad shouldered, he's the

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good looking guy. Yeah, he's been to Westworld several times.

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He's you know, he's got like the past. I guess

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you know, he's got the past.

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That's hilarious. He's only paying eight hundred dollars or maybe

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he's paying more for the fast pass.

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fast passes. You know, the way he talks. I love

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that he he he's like the guide for this guy.

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that that we see on the screen is that it's

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it's very evident that that John is there to show

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Peter a good time, to get him out of whatever

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funk he's in. You know, we we kind of get

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a little bit of a backstory. You know, there's a

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there's a divorce going on, and Peter's been down on

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the dump. So John Blaine is the is the friends

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you want to have. He's going to take you on

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some amazing adventure to to get your mind, you know,

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get hit a reset, you know, and get your life

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back on track. Chuck, I do have a question, you know, like,

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like you mentioned, these guys are relatively new on you know,

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they're they're they're not they're not stars yet. My understanding

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is that James Brolin beats out William Shatner for this

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role because they wanted to cast younger and ensure that

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Brenner was the top build star.

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Is that correct?

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The casting of this movie was not on lock until

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like about two days prior to beginning to shoot the film.

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On it, and could you imagine having William Shatner in

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this What would that movie have been?

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Like, I, it's probably a better movie. Let's be honest,

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and I say that. Listen, Chuck, We're gonna be a

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little biased here because we're both Star Trek fans, So yeah,

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I have to I have to say, like, you know,

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as much as I love James Brolin, I think Shatner

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just Shatton all over this movie, you know, with his

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with his mannerisms, would have been would have just been delicious,

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you know. I think it would been great Shatner versus

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versus Jil Brenner.

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Come on, sure there was a Star Trek actress on

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this show.

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I would be doing a disservice to my friends on

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our Phaser set, the Stunt series if I did not

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immediately recognize Nurse Chapel in this movie.

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As soon as I saw that face, I say, hey,

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there's Christine.

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the saloon down the way, that we don't talk about

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at dinner whenever, this dinner time.

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At this dinner table.

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Yeah, but Joe Borett, is that pronounce your name?

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I always call her Magle, but probably really well.

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You listen, going head to head in Star Trek trivia,

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you are gonna beat me every day of the week

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and twice on Sunday.

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So I'll say magicle for the rest of this episode.

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grab some popcorn or top off your drink. You're listening

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to the Cinematic Flashback podcast. Stay tuned. The show continues

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right after this, and we're back. I hope you enjoyed

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that brief intermission. Now let's roll the next reel and

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get back into the conversation. Someone else too that it

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was really interesting that the minute he came on screen

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I knew him because just a week or so before

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I came across him on YouTube. And that would be

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Alan Oppenheimer, who played the Cheap Supervisor. Now he was

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known to me back in my youth as the as

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doctor Rudy Wells, who was on the six million Dollar Man,

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who was the doctor who actually made Steve Austin better, faster,

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and stronger. But I would assume, or would think he's

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more well known for his voice acting.

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I know him for his voice acting, because, yeah, while

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I remember reruns of The six Million Dollar Man, my

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brain's going straight to Steve Austin and Lindsay Wagner. Yeah,

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but his voice acting, the never ending story. He gives

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us the voice of Falcore, the rock Bier, the terrifying,

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uh you know, good Mork, and obviously the all time

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role for him, Skeletor.

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And that's that. That was he So he's doing he

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was doing some conventions or or something, and he was

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he was promoing them and he was reading means in

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Skeletor's voice, and it's I'm telling you, he looks about

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the same as he does in this movie. YEA, to

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hear Skeletor coming out of his mouth is really weird.

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The man is ninety four years old. He's still doing

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conventional appearances. He's still doing the voice for fans, and

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you can see the glee on his face when he

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does it. Yeah, this is a guy that embraced it

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and knows this. This was his bread and butter.

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Well, you know, and we're talking about William Shatner, and

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you guys do a lot of conventions. Oh yeah, uh,

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William Shatner is the same. But I would imagine that

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the experience of meeting Alan Oppenheimer versus William Shatner would

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be a lot different.

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I can tell you this.

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I met William Shatner two years ago, and the consummate

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professional the guy was. He was laughing, he was having

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a good time, he was telling he was sharing stories.

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I know he's ninety years old, but he does not

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look it, he does not sound it.

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So more power to him. He's fantastic.

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Now for me, if you could get if I could

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just find one of these that Alan Oppenheimer goes to,

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that would be the dream for me, because I you know,

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I've met Peter Cohen, you know, and to have a

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conversation with Optimus Prime. I actually he's hearing that all

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day long. And I was the one guy that said

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I loved Venger and he looked up, He's like, are

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you seriously you're Avenger fan? I said, more than optimists,

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I am.

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Vinger was one of the So yeah, wow, I could

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I've met Venger if I could.

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Meet Skeleton, I'd I'd be on cloud nine.

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Some of the some of the behind the scenes trivia

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that that I found. One of them I thought was

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very interesting, which was later in the film. There's a

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scene where they are giving Yul Brynner's gun Slinger some upgrades. Yep,

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they're giving him some you know, upgrades to his his hearing.

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They're giving him upgrades to his site. And this led

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led to a very pixelated view, which was could have

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been one of the earliest uses of computer generated imagery

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in a feature film.

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I understand that the digital photography here is it's groundbreaking

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in nineteen seventy three, which is funny because if there's

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one thing that's dated in this film, it's it's the

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Gunslinger's POV because you're just like, wow, this is this

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isn't even Nintendo eight bit graphic good. This is this

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is this is like Atari good.

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You know, it's it's like giant, giant blocks. And there's

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one scene where Peter is up on a ridge and

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the Gunslinger takes out his rifle and and you know,

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wings is his wings them, and I'm like, how did

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he even see him in that pixelated view?

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Yeah, but I couldn't tell you.

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I can only imagine if they did a a George

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Lucas style upgrade of this and they changed the POV

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of the of the Gunslinger, what it would look like,

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how good it would look.

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Yeah, the directors or the special edition.

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Yeah, not that for it, not that I would not that.

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I'm you know, I'm wanting that, you know, because again,

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I love this has its place in cinematic history, and

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it's it's nice to see little milestones like this.

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Was cutting edge in nineteen seventy three, So I like that.

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One of the things that was an inspiration to Michael

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Crichton for the idea of West World was a trip

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to Disneyland, You're kidding, And he was riding the animate

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that he was looking at the animatronics of the Pirates

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of the Caribbean ride, and that just started to brew

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in him, this idea of an amusement park gone wrong,

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and he he took one swipe at that with this movie.

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And this movie you know it for me, there's a

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little bit of disjointedness that we'll get into. But you know,

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there was a line in a movie that said nothing worked,

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you know, but Jones the Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down,

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the pirates don't eat the tourists, and that was the movie.

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It's Jurassic that was the movie that I yeah, Jurassic you.

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Gotta you know, I liked it.

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That's a he has that experience in the you know,

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early seventies, and then that makes its way into Jurassic Park.

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That I love it.

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It's that's that's great, that's full circle.

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The corporation greed in this movie didn't really fully get

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fleshed out because they ended up having to cut out

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so many scenes in this movie just due to the

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pacing and the budget constraints, and that's probably one of

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the reasons why you don't see much of Roman World.

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I would I would have to believe that because I

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know they, I know everyone passes on this on this project,

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with exception to MGM, who at the time is a

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little notorious for being very difficult with filmmakers. You know

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a lot of people, you know, Kubrick had had had

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passed on him, Robert Altman had passed on I believe

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you know what, when you're trying to get in the

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door you're gonna which everyone opens is the one you.

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Got to walk through. So I get why Chrichton's.

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There, But my understanding is MGM is on him like

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a starving man on a ham sand, which he's just

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script changes every day. You know, they're just they're weighing

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down on him, Chuck.

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You know.

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So you're right, You're absolutely right. There's some pacing issues,

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and I have to believe it's because the money was

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running dry.

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So Jeff, let's talk about arriving at Dallas. Leads me

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to an interesting question, and you started hitting on this earlier.

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If you were visiting the Dallas property today, which one

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would you choose? Would you go for a Westworld, Medieval World,

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or Roman World.

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I'm heading to Westworld, And if you'll let me quote

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Richard Benjamin, I'll tell you why. He once said this

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was the only way he was ever going to get

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to make a Western or a sci fi film, and

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I'm quoting him here. So when you get to do

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stuff that's like you're twelve years old, all of the

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reasons you went to the movies in the first place.

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You're out there firing a six shooter, riding a horse,

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being chased by a gumman and all of that. It's

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the best how do you not want to want to

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go to Westworld?

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When I saw a Roman World did not appeal to me,

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and you didn't see much of it, and they kind

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of just implied that you're going to live out your

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you know, whatever fantasy you want to go to Roman World.

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You know the thing about the other world.

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So if I'm going to Roman World, I think your

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best option is to be the emperor, right, or a senator,

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because I would want to be a I want to

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be a gladiator, Chuck, I want to be in the lootist.

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But let's be honest, that's that doesn't that's not going

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to be overly enjoyable. Like there's a great moment when

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Richard Benjamin when they get to the hotel and he's

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he's kind of complaining that, you know, early on he's

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still kind of acting like this is He's like, why

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you think for one thousand dollars a day they can

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make this a little more comfortable, And you know, Brolin's like, hey,

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that's the whole point. It wasn't back in the Old West.

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So this is very authentic, very authentic.

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So while I think it'd be awesome to go to

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Roman World and be a gladiator, or it'd be awesome

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to go to the medieval world and be a knight.

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You're not really getting to enjoy the spoils as you

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would in the old way, where it's it's lawless. There's

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just you know, you do whatever you want.

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It's definitely called West World because you know we want

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to see the West World. Yes, in it. Oh, by

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the way, are you wearing a gun strap that is

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strapped or is it open?

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Always go open?

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Okay, I was going to tie to my leg. But

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they arrive, they check into their lodgings and the first

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thing they do is they head out to the saloon,

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where they get into their first gunfight. They then go

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and visit the local brothel. They find themselves in another shootout.

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They break out of jail, they have a showdown with

463
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:35.079
the sheriff, and they end up in a rowdy bar brawl. Jeff,

464
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:39.519
hearing all of that, what is your first Dellos bucket list?

465
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:41.640
What kind of trouble are you going to get yourself into?

466
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:42.799
I gotta be honest.

467
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:46.559
While the brothel is quite tempting, I want to do

468
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:49.079
the one thing these guys didn't get the opportunity to do,

469
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:50.680
and that's a train robbery.

470
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:54.039
Oh yes, because that I was going to say, rob

471
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:54.519
the bank.

472
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:57.160
Well, you know, that's where I first went to, like

473
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.359
a good old fashioned bank robbery with the with the

474
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.359
bandana for your your face. But I was like, no,

475
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:04.640
I want to be on the horse, I want the train.

476
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.880
I want to I want to the old fashioned train robbery,

477
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.960
you know, right right up to the train, jump on,

478
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.119
grab the gold, jump back off.

479
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:13.119
That's the bucket list side.

480
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:14.759
And for me, there was a scene when they first

481
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.440
get into town and there's like like a whole bunch

482
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.519
of cowboys on a on a on their horses, just

483
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.319
riding into town. And I thought, man, I hope those

484
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.839
are actual guests and not all robots, because that to me,

485
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.319
that that, to me is the fun part coming in.

486
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:35.119
And I also kind of liked the the banker who

487
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.119
the the kind of the mouse he Dick van Pat.

488
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:46.039
That was Dick van Pat. He was funny in a

489
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:51.000
couple of ways. Number One, he did taxi driver steal

490
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:55.160
from Westworld, the scene of him or was that maybe

491
00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:00.599
stolen from or or inspired Marty McFly and Back to

492
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.839
the Future three where it kind of crossed the uh

493
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.359
you talking to me? And maybe maybe his character of

494
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.799
the banker character trying to quick draw the gun, you know,

495
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.200
in shooting the mirror.

496
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:18.440
Yeah, I I I got to ask you a question though, Chuck. Yeah,

497
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.519
because your first time watching this may as always my

498
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.839
always thought goes to, it's not just you and your

499
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.680
buddy in Westworld.

500
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.599
There's other people have paid to.

501
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.640
Go in there, and they're in there, and you know,

502
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.480
michear Benjamin has the question like, how do I know

503
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.480
who's who? And you know, Brolin's like, you don't, that's

504
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.559
we don't know who's who. It's like, well, how do

505
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.240
how do I know I'm not going to kill somebody?

506
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.880
And there's safety measures, But here's my question, Chuck, mhm,

507
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:50.200
because I'm assuming you're going to Westworld, correct, absolutely, so,

508
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.119
do you have any concerns? I know you're not concerned

509
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.319
about someone shooting you, another another patron shooting you, but

510
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.480
are any concerns like if you're when you're caught in

511
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.720
the brawl, the bar room brawl, that you know another

512
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.240
paying customer is going to slug you right in the

513
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.440
face or you know, get a little too physical, Like.

514
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:07.839
How do you stop that from happening?

515
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:13.160
So you have these safety rules, but even being experienced

516
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:18.440
as John is in the Gunslinger encounter. In the bar,

517
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.279
John is the first person hopping over the bar, hiding,

518
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.559
you know, taking cover from this talking about though the

519
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.720
safety rules. Let me ask you this, if you know

520
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.319
you can't be shot, that there's no harm to you,

521
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.240
does that decrease your enjoyment of it?

522
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.000
I would kind of compare it to laser tag when

523
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.160
when that was a big thing. Yeah, I wasn't worried

524
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.079
about getting shot and killed, but jumping off of those

525
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.200
blocks and behind.

526
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.039
Structures and stuff like that.

527
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.720
You know, if I'm going to jump, you know, six

528
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:56.920
feet down to the floor below me, it's gonna hurt

529
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:58.519
if I don't, you know, if I don't watch what

530
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:00.200
I'm doing. Oh yeah, And it's pitch black and there

531
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:04.480
because everything's glowing, So I think there's a there's gonna

532
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.880
be a sense of real world danger, but not of

533
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.720
not of death by gun by by gunfire.

534
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.279
Right. But at some point the system starts to break down.

535
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.839
They hint at a virus spreading from one of the

536
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:25.240
park properties to the next, finally making its way to Westworld,

537
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:30.000
where I think it was John who actually gets bitten

538
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.920
by a rattle snake and he's like, it's not supposed

539
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:34.200
to you know.

540
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.759
Did you know that that draws? Did you know that

541
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.079
that snake bit him? Actually bid him?

542
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.400
I you know, that was my That was gonna be

543
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.480
a question I was wanting to look up, was whether

544
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.880
or not that was a real snake or not.

545
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.160
So it's a real snake. They had milked milk the

546
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.119
fangs so that when it bites, there's no it's it's

547
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.400
not venomous. Obviously, Brown's got the padding on his arm

548
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.920
that you can't see. What they didn't account for was

549
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.400
that the snake has teeth on the bottom of its jaw,

550
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.480
so when it clamped down, the bottom of his arm

551
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:08.000
got bit.

552
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:10.559
And so you see that reaction.

553
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.799
Where he's like, you know, he you know, Berlin's a

554
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.160
talented actor, but a little that's he's getting bit for

555
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:15.799
real there, Chuck.

556
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.839
Yeah, you're a guest at west World. Everything's starting to

557
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:20.519
go haywire. What's your first move.

558
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.400
If it's starting to go? Heywhere I'm looking for the exit?

559
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.680
Honestly, Like you know, some of these salut doors and

560
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.240
these barn doors, like you know, like at night when

561
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.240
they're cleaning up and they're just they're parking the trucks

562
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.319
in there, I'm looking for the exit sign.

563
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:35.279
But you know, we talked about Jurassic Park earlier. They

564
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.279
had the same idea going here that all of a

565
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:42.880
sudden where you were completely assured that everything was completely safe,

566
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.359
but then things start to go all pear shaped on you.

567
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.119
So now we have by the time that the Gunslinger

568
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.799
is starting to relentlessly pursue Peter, Westworld has just completely

569
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.920
fallen apart, and this chase, to me, starts to feel

570
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.720
like a proto slasher sequence. Absolutely and unstoppable villain. Did

571
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.839
this have influences on movies like Halloween or Terminator?

572
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.319
I feel that there is absolutely a presence of Westworld

573
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:14.119
in Halloween. If you told me Arnold used this as

574
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:15.519
the template for the T eight hundred.

575
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.319
When I read it, it just happens to be that.

576
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:25.160
Not too long ago, I saw the movie Westworld with

577
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:30.119
Joe Brenner, who blayed a machine and he blayed this

578
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.720
the toughest of the toughest. You know, your brain is

579
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.079
a fantastic actor, and he did the play the fantastic

580
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:42.440
that the toughest kind of cowboy and the shooter, and

581
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.920
then he was in the bar and I saw him

582
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.039
the way he acted, but there was everything was kind

583
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.000
of off because it was not like a human being.

584
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.440
But you couldn't identify, really there's something wrong here, but

585
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.440
you couldn't identify exactly what it was until late on

586
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.640
when you saw that the night that took them apart

587
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.440
and fixed the machines. He said, that's what it was.

588
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.920
I knew the way his eye movement was, the way

589
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.480
his head was kind of a little bit more jerky,

590
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.000
and every move was a little off. So I remember

591
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.799
all that, and I was fascinated by that because I've

592
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.039
never seen that on film, someone acting like a machine.

593
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.839
So I told James Cameron, I said, look, this is

594
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.279
one thing that you got to make sure of. Is

595
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.440
that that whoever plays Terminator? And I heard it, so

596
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.200
Jay Simpson, I said, but whoever he placed it, They said,

597
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.799
you got to train them to be a machine, not

598
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.640
to act like a machine, to be a machine.

599
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.880
It would not surprise me in the least bit because

600
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.000
Brenner's movements, his physical acting, because let's be honest, he

601
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.680
he only has what like three lines total. He doesn't

602
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.960
really get to talk on this. He's using his physicality,

603
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.720
his body to do his acting, and you're absolutely right.

604
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.519
I see a lot of the shape in his movements,

605
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.359
especially when they're in the catacomb, you know, behind the

606
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.599
scenes area where they you know, they're going down the hallways,

607
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.039
the dark hallways. It feels very Halloween to me, and

608
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.279
his movements definitely feel Terminator.

609
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.599
Like the film is about an hour and twenty five

610
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.799
ish minutes. It's not even an hour and a half.

611
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.279
Eighty nine minute, eighty eight minutes.

612
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.920
Maybe, yeah, maybe the last thirty minutes is when the

613
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.200
movie really starts to kick in and it finds its

614
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.480
groove in it. If you will, I will, yes, absolutely yeah,

615
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.400
Because the stuff beforehand is just all setting up and

616
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:38.079
acting out the various fantasies of either the cowboy fantasy

617
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.960
or the night in the medieval world, trying to woo

618
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.079
the queen and getting snubbed by the robot and everything

619
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.319
starting to fall apart. But the last half it just

620
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.000
it picked up so quickly, and all of a sudden,

621
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:59.759
the Gunslinger shows back up again, and now they start

622
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.640
their final chase. Peter Martin, he starts off hesitant, but

623
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.920
he becomes a survivor. How would you compare him to

624
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.280
reluctant sci Fi heroes like Ripley or Sarah Connor.

625
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.400
I have to say, Ripley and Sarah leave this guy

626
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.559
in the dust, no, no pun intended in the you know,

627
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.199
because he's on the Old West. The difference here between

628
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.159
Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley, I feel like they're strong

629
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.920
from the from the get go. Maybe not so much

630
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:28.679
Sarah Connor if we're talking Terminator.

631
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.000
Because she she she.

632
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.880
Finds her strength in the first movie. But Ellen Ripley

633
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.880
one hundred percent, uh is She's just a bad ass

634
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.000
from the get go, right from the beginning. Now, if

635
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.280
you're if we're saying, you know, Peter and Sarah Connor,

636
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.639
I see a lot more similarities there, you know.

637
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.760
Okay, And ironically.

638
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.719
They're both they're both weak characters that find their strength

639
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.400
going up against an unstoppable robot.

640
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:59.320
So right, Ellen was always in command of her role.

641
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.800
She knew who she she was and she had no

642
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.320
doubts about that. I mean, she was she was willing

643
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.960
to prevent the crew members from coming back onto the ship.

644
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.320
But Sarah, yes, she was. She was definitely someone who

645
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.159
grew into that.

646
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.679
You know, the big difference between Ripley and Peter and

647
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.519
Sarah are that Ripley was always confident, whereas the other

648
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.199
two had to build their confidence, they had to find

649
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.079
their their inner strength. So while I would love to

650
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.400
think Peter, you know, had he showed up in Future World,

651
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.800
like I would have loved to think that he's, you know,

652
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.719
an experienced, hardened person.

653
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.480
And maybe he he has a little more edge to him.

654
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.320
I see him more of like like a trauma survivor,

655
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.199
Like you know, he's he's never okay after this his

656
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.599
you know, he went on a vacation with his best friend.

657
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.119
His best friend got killed, he nearly got killed. I think,

658
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:56.760
I think this guy never recovers.

659
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.239
In the HBO series West World, I always wanted to

660
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.480
see Peter show up in some strange way in that show.

661
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.519
That would have been cool, especially in later seasons where

662
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.719
we're kind of going outside of Westworld. I could see

663
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.719
I could see Peter being more of an advocate on

664
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.599
the dangers of parks like this and you know, technology

665
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.000
beyond our control. That's that's where I see his person.

666
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.519
Maybe he's like a politician that's trying to shut him down.

667
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.480
Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, he could play

668
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.559
the person who who is trying to do good, you know,

669
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:33.280
and we sympathize with what he's gone through, but he's

670
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.760
you know, maybe more of the you know, bad guy.

671
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.960
Because I think one of the things that that show

672
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.159
did such a great job at, was it it you

673
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:49.159
sympathized so much with the with the robots in that show. Well,

674
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.480
that's that it had such great depth.

675
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.239
That's what made that show just must see TV.

676
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:00.920
Because where we watched West World nineteen seventy three, we're,

677
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.800
you know, we're looking at the movie through Peter and John.

678
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.760
There are avatars. We're like, wow, what would we do

679
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:13.320
in that situation? These evil robots, this uprising? And then

680
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.320
you jump to twenty sixteen and now we're we're looking

681
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.239
through the lens of the the robots and are they

682
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.800
are they real people? Are they should do they do

683
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.760
they have rights? Should they do they have feelings? And

684
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.440
all of a sudden, the evil entity is is man,

685
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.360
it's you know, it's not the robots. So and I like,

686
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.519
I'm with you on your on your thought of is

687
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.880
it happening in the same world. I like to think

688
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.559
of the the HBO series not as a as a

689
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.599
soft rebit, but more of a legacy sequel. I like

690
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.679
the idea of, you know, obviously this this park had

691
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.840
its its issues. It's it maybe is facing bankruptcy. Someone

692
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.960
buys it for cheap, and the technology has always been

693
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.440
in there and they've just been slowly fixing the problem,

694
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.440
so to speak. So I like the idea that they're connected.

695
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:07.679
It's the same universe.

696
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.119
So it sounds kind of like, kind of like the

697
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:15.480
Jurassic World, where it's it's in the same universe as

698
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.599
Jurassic Park, and it does acknowledge that, you know, these

699
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:25.119
other incidents had happened once upon a time. But don't worry,

700
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:27.159
we have all the kinks work down.

701
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.119
Yeah, under new management.

702
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:35.239
Chuck will pause here for just a moment. Think of

703
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it as a real change stick around. There's more cinematic

704
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.920
flashback coming up right after this.

705
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Dearly beloved.

706
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.840
We are gathered here today to celebrate death Dave's in

707
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.960
nineteen eighty four, a video podcast that will take you

708
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.519
through the greatest pop culture year we have ever seen.

709
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:02.320
My fellow American Slacks, I am a candidate and we'll seek.

710
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:10.199
Reelection from movies, music, sports, comics, television, and more. This

711
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.039
show will be a chronological journey through every aspect of

712
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:17.519
the year. So who's going to drive you home and.

713
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.599
Not let the glory days pass you by death?

714
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:20.800
Dave's nineteen eighty four.

715
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.280
It's a hard habit to break, but time after time

716
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.360
I'll show you why nineteen eighty four was the best

717
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:29.000
year ever.

718
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.320
So who you gonna call?

719
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.519
Available? Now?

720
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.960
Subscribe and follow today I'll be back.

721
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.400
And we're back. The lights are down, the film's rolling,

722
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.800
and the final act begins. Let's jump back into the

723
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.320
Cinematic Flashback podcast.

724
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.599
Chuck, one thing about the chase, you know, because, like

725
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.000
you said, the gun slingers almost like the shape he's

726
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:56.960
stalking Peter.

727
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:58.239
There's this great moment.

728
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.079
And one thing I love about this show, Cinematic Flashback

729
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.679
because it makes me you know, I've told you this before,

730
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.840
Like sometimes I'm like I can't wait to go rewatch

731
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.679
this movie. Sometimes I'm like, wait, what is this. I've

732
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.480
never heard of this movie and now I have to

733
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.199
go see it. But uh, the great thing about the seventies,

734
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.199
like you gotta remember this is practical effects.

735
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.480
So the scene where Peter.

736
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.760
Is kind of cornered in the lab and the one

737
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:27.440
technician on the golf cart told him, like, hey, you

738
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.119
can try fire, you can try this, but you know

739
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:30.079
he's gonna get you.

740
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:31.239
Like the guy's no help.

741
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.239
But yeah, when he throws the acid at Y'll Brynner's

742
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:39.679
face and immediately just starts bubbling and fizzing and smoking,

743
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.679
that was I'm looking at him, like, how do they

744
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:48.960
do that? And the answer, Chuck, is so amazing and

745
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.239
it's so simple. So Yu'll Brenner is wearing oil based

746
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.599
makeup that has crushed up alka selzer mixed into it.

747
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:00.719
What yes, So when you throw water and You'll Runner's face,

748
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.400
the aba seltzer immediately starts reacting to it, so it

749
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.039
starts bubbling and fizzing, and.

750
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:08.679
That's that's that's all. It was.

751
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.800
Man, Like, these hats off to the guys in the

752
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.360
sixties and the seventies that were creating special effects like this,

753
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.000
because I know we always immediately think of like you know,

754
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.400
George Lucas and ILM and how they create all this

755
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:20.920
cool stuff.

756
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.679
But even you know, six years, ten years before them.

757
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:26.760
It's like, hey, what if we just crush up Alcacelser

758
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.519
and rub it on his face and then they watered it.

759
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.880
See how that works. I thought that that was very effective,

760
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.000
but then afterwards you could start to see some of

761
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.920
the Obviously the makeup effect is not say as gratuitous

762
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.119
as Arnold was going to have in the terminator with

763
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.559
all these different fixtures that they could put on to

764
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.239
make it. You can see the endos skeleton underneath it,

765
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.400
but you are seeing some breaks in the face. I

766
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.400
thought it was really charming that, you know, as as

767
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.360
they take a robot up at night to get repaired.

768
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.039
I mean you quite literally have circuit for that. There

769
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.400
was something just very charming about the tech that they

770
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.119
had in there. And I know, like, if I'm looking

771
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.199
at that back then you know, to me, okay, that's

772
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.840
a robot right there, because it's got a computer. Bless.

773
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.400
And then finally they did the greatest, like one of

774
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.679
my favorite special effects. I don't care how many times

775
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:26.000
I see this, I just I love it. Catching a

776
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.880
person on fire. I mean that is that is just

777
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:33.480
such a great effect. And I cannot believe I saw

778
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:36.639
the person when they did when they shot that, and

779
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.960
it they always ended and you think, man, this guy's dead. No,

780
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:41.800
they're coming out, they're smiling.

781
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:46.360
It will never cease to amaze me, the fire effect,

782
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.840
because as cool as it looks, and as long as

783
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.440
we've been doing it, you have to remember it's still

784
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.679
incredibly dangerous. They are literally lighting up the stuntman on fire. Yeah,

785
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.599
sometimes it doesn't work out, you know. I mean Caine

786
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.880
Hodd is permanently scarred for his work. You know, he

787
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.480
did some stunt work on an eighty six film called

788
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.880
Avenging Force where they catch him on fire. We covered

789
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.719
this on our Patreon. They light him up on fire,

790
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:22.400
he's on the roof and you know the fire is

791
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:22.760
too hot.

792
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.920
It burned through. So even when you.

793
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.920
Meet him at conventions, he's still to this day he

794
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:29.159
wears gloves. He doesn't you know, you'll never see him

795
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.480
without his gloves on because you know he's still scarred.

796
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.599
So it's a very scary thing, you know when you

797
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.440
see these guys do this, because they have got everything's

798
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.760
got to be clicking, everything's got to be right to

799
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.679
the second. Someone's got to be right there off camera

800
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.119
with the with the extinguisher and the heavy blanket, and

801
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.840
you know, if the makeup's not applied right, bad things

802
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:53.239
can happen.

803
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.480
So you don't see as many of these kind of

804
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.880
stunt works these days. And one of the things that

805
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.440
Matt and I will always talk about is that, you know,

806
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.400
this was before the days of CGI, you know, and

807
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.920
we talk about how you know, and even in a

808
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.519
film that is like this, the amount of practical effects,

809
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.159
whether you're getting thrown out of a second story floor

810
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.719
or you're catching someone on fire. The stunt men in

811
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.679
this film are earning their key throughout the entire picture.

812
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.119
They did they do some really good gags and they

813
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:30.519
do so the big question is, Jeff, does West World

814
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.159
still groove or did it skip a.

815
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:38.840
Beat machine and the streets?

816
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:39.360
What's your take?

817
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.239
My take is that this still grooves. We've got some

818
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.199
over the decades. We've got some cool video games, we've

819
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.440
got several TV series, We've got an amazing one with

820
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.239
the HBO's Westworld. There's been there was talk of remakes,

821
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.400
and back in the early two thousands, Arnold was going

822
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.440
to play the gun Slinger at one point. That didn't

823
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.920
happen because but you know, that didn't happen so that

824
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:03.480
we could get the HBO show.

825
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:04.280
So I'm okay with that.

826
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.159
But watching this again, I've watched it three times the

827
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.519
past past two weeks, and I.

828
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.039
Just don't get tired of it. It's it's fun.

829
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.320
It's a fun, it's a it's a you know you

830
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.920
said eighty eight eighty eight minutes, eighty nine minutes it is.

831
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.519
It's about an amusement park, and it is an amusement park.

832
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.000
You know you just you enjoy the ride. I'm grooving

833
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:23.079
with this with Joe, how about you.

834
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.000
That's a great assessment of it. It is an amusement ride,

835
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.119
and the film does not ask that much of you.

836
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.960
I think maybe the pacing of the first half might

837
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.599
not necessarily be up to standards for an action thriller.

838
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.320
This film did lay the groundwork that was to come

839
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.599
for science fiction action in the cinemas. The theme of

840
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.079
technology that goes wrong in corporate negligence. We're going to

841
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.440
see that all throughout science fiction of the eighties, like

842
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.079
with RoboCop, and then of course, you know you get

843
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.840
it come full circle again and much more refine and

844
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.599
much better stated in Jurassic Park. West World losers credit

845
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.960
for being ahead of its time and addressing these concerns.

846
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.559
So I don't think that this film's influence can be understated.

847
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:14.400
I obviously really feel that it had impact on James Cameron.

848
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:20.119
I think it had impacts on John Carpenter. It took

849
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.159
a big swing with pioneering of CGI to explore artificial

850
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.760
intelligence running a mock so modern audience may find some

851
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:32.199
of the aspects dated, but my gosh, the core story

852
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.559
and especially Yule Brenner's performance. If you don't know anything

853
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.239
about Yule Brenner and you only see him in this film,

854
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.679
it still packs a punch, and this one definitely grows,

855
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.519
even if some of the steps are a little bit creaky.

856
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.199
Before we wrap up, Jeff tell us what's coming up

857
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.239
next on a Film by Podcast, Chuck.

858
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.800
As you already know, we've we've been having a pretty

859
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.320
good week over on a Film by Podcast. We finally

860
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.800
got around to doing another Steven Spielberg film. We David

861
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.679
and I talked about Duel, which was one of my favorites.

862
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.280
You know, yesterday your buddies, my buddies, the guys on

863
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.760
the bridge over at Phaser set, The stun Covered covered

864
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.079
arguably one of the not so great Star Trek films.

865
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.199
They did, the Final Frontier. Yeah, we had to do it, Chuck.

866
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:21.639
We're covering them all.

867
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:22.440
So we had to do it.

868
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.360
But we got some fun stuff coming up. Then we're

869
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.000
gonna talk about Gavin O'Connor. We're gonna cover the Accountant,

870
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:33.159
and we've got The Raid, great film by Gareth Evans.

871
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.320
I don't know if you've seen that one. That'll wrap

872
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.519
up our April and then May we're gonna kick off

873
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.679
Bill Paxton month. Every episode we dropped is going to

874
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.800
be Bill Paxton related, whether he started it or directed it.

875
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.880
So got some fun stuff coming up on him over there.

876
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.159
Thank you man. I love me some Bill Paxton. You know,

877
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.239
it's really interesting. I need to get up on Duel

878
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.920
because that was one that I was starting to pencil in.

879
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:01.599
I am finishing the book the movie, and the very

880
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.800
last movie brat that they are covering is Steven Spielberg,

881
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.960
and you know he starts off his first big TV

882
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.960
movie was Dual, and it surprised a lot of people.

883
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.119
So I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys have

884
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:19.199
to say about that.

885
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:19.840
Yeah, we had a.

886
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:21.239
Lot of fun, and it's one of those things like

887
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.639
you and you know, Chuck, because you've been on the

888
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.599
show several times with us, we never cover the blockbuster movie,

889
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.320
like we're always going to go for the underrated film.

890
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:33.079
Right when you say the name Spielberg. What are you

891
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.599
talking about? What is actually considered underrated? So we had

892
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.519
to dig a little deep, and one of our listeners

893
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.480
actually was like, I love duel. Please talk about duels.

894
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:43.440
You know what, Let's do duel.

895
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.840
So I hope you and Joel okay. Since since you

896
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:51.639
guys grabbed Duel, I'm calling Dibbs on Sugarland Express.

897
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.079
I would love to hear you and Matt discuss Sugarland Express,

898
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:58.719
provided Matt does return from Dellos. I'm a little word

899
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.960
now that we've talked about it, worried about him, to

900
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:01.679
be honest with you.

901
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.599
That's all for us on this episode of The Cinematic Flashback.

902
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.599
Thanks again to Jeff Johnson for joining us. Let us

903
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.760
know if you've watched Westworld and what did you think

904
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.519
about it? You can do so by emailing us at

905
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.960
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of the seventies to explore another film from that decade.

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It's the Cinematic Flashback Ben Attack. He needs his mama,